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SemiDevil

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Whats up guys?

I have a few questions regarding Processors

What do you guys think between Intel and AMD? Which one is overall a good processor?

Alot of people are saying that Intel is overall better than AMD, but I think its just because people are more familiar with Intel than they are with AMD.
 
They both make good processors. What to choose is mainly a question of budget and what tasks you want it to run.
 
List what you do with your computer and your budget, and then we can tell you which company is better.
 
SemiDevil said:
Whats up guys?

I have a few questions regarding Processors

What do you guys think between Intel and AMD? Which one is overall a good processor?

Alot of people are saying that Intel is overall better than AMD, but I think its just because people are more familiar with Intel than they are with AMD.
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when you say AMD do you mean athlon 64 X2 or Athlon 64? and intel: Pentium 4, Pentium D, Pentium m?
i'd assume you mean Athlon 64 vs. Pentium 4
the answer is: it depends on what you'd like to do, and what your budget is.
lets say you want to take it to college...
you might want a lappy with pentium m.
but if you want it mobile and 64-bit, you might want turion 64.
if you want to do simple gaming, an athlon 64 would do you good.
but, lets say you want to do a lot of multithreading processes... athlon 64 X2 would be for you then.
but, you run into a problem... the lowest Athlon 64 X2 is around $300!
Pentium D might be for you then.
of course, what if you need battery life, multithreading, AND mobility?
Core duo would be the best solution then.
 
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for games: generally x2 3800, from amd $300...

but this cpu is recommanded for its cheap price and qulity...
its known for games, but its also really good processor for anything, including multifuctioning...

-dual core-
 
WOW...guys, all you guys are awesome!!!!

I apologise for not being clear with my question.

I'm not really into gaming and stuff. Mostly rendering, like 3d studio MAX or AUtoCad/autodesk programs. Pretty much anything with graphic softwares.

Which will be a better choice?

Maybe an occasional gaming here and there but nothing to frequent.

when you say AMD do you mean athlon 64 X2 or Athlon 64? and intel: Pentium 4, Pentium D, Pentium m?
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Hey Fade2green, do you mind giving me a little education about Pentium D, Penium M and etc...when you have time...I would like to know the differences.

Thank you.
 
SemiDevil said:
WOW...guys, all you guys are awesome!!!!

I apologise for not being clear with my question.

I'm not really into gaming and stuff. Mostly rendering, like 3d studio MAX or AUtoCad/autodesk programs. Pretty much anything with graphic softwares.

Which will be a better choice?

Maybe an occasional gaming here and there but nothing to frequent.



Hey Fade2green, do you mind giving me a little education about Pentium D, Penium M and etc...when you have time...I would like to know the differences.

Thank you.
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You would be better off with a Pentium D 9xx series processor.

Pentium M is a mobile CPU, its not really designed for desktops.
 
yea, what do you need to know about them?
it sounds to me like Athlon 64 X2 is right for you, since you'd like to do some gaming and also rendering.
basically, if you can drop the money on it i'd get the X2 3800+ or the X2 4400+
if you prefer mobile, Core Duo would be a good alternative.
Pentium D would be good, but not as good for gaming. its a cheaper alternative with less performance on a regular basis.
the x2 3800+
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819103562
the x2 4400+
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819103546
the 4400+ is a bit pricey though, i personally saved my money and went for a cheaper alternative with less frequency and cache.
of course, if you can't afford either of these, then Pentium D is good too
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819116238

as you can tell, my personal preference was the X2 3800+ because i do a lot of gaming, and because i also do some encoding here and there... and it was the cheapest most overclockable thing i could find :)
i also wanted to be able to do many processes including the games and other things all at once :)
got a 600mhz o/c out of it, and hoping to hit a 700-800mhz o/c with it :)
 
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Go for the Pentium D 940. D 940=16 tests, X2 3800+=13 tests, while the D 940 is $40 cheaper. (Fade2green514, the price/performance index is way outdated)
 
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Jet said:
Go for the Pentium D 940. D 940=16 tests, X2 3800+=13 tests, while the D 940 is $40 cheaper. (Fade2green514, the price/performance index is way outdated)
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well, those two really vary on their benchmarks.
the X2 3800+ is easily o/cable to 2.4ghz without an overvolt at all, which is why i think its better.
400mhz for an athlon 64 X2 is a lot more than 400mhz for a pentium D.
i don't know how well Pentium D's o/c, but i'd bet a 4600+ outperforms a Pentium D at 3.6ghz, and that's if you can o/c it that high.
not to mention, mines at 2.6ghz, and i can get it to 2.75ghz fairly easily, but im waiting til i get my water cooler. (ive had it that high before, just didn't like the temps, in full load i was in high 50's)
the X2 3800+ is simply a better chip... this is why it still outperforms the pentium D at such low clocks.
i mean, theoretically it should be beaten by a 2/3.2 ratio.. just because of clocks, not to mention it has a lower amount of cache.
Athlon 64 is obviously better than pentium 4, the only reason pentium 4 lasted so long was because of hyperthreading...
im just glad intel is out of the clocks race, and finally introducing a good processor... conroe! :) (and merom!)
 
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Go for the Pentium D 940. D 940=16 tests, X2 3800+=13 tests, while the D 940 is $40 cheaper
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Thank you Jet, I'll consider it....Did you get them in NewEgg is that why they are cheaper?

yea, what do you need to know about them?
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Oh, thank you fade. Just some basic information is fine.

For example Mega told me that Pentium M is for mobile desktops(does that mean its only for Laptops??)

What is Pentium D, Pentium 4? And are there any other pentiums out there other than D,4, and M?

Also, when you said Athlon 64 x2 does that mean it has dual processor?


Thank you guys.
 
Athlon 64 is a basic single core AMD processor.
pentium 4 is a basic intel single core processor.
Pentium D would be dual core Pentium 4 basically.
Athlon 64 X2 is Athlon 64 dual core.
Pentium M is for laptops, and its basically Pentium 3 continued, revised, made better. low power usage and low heat.
Core duo is basically dual core pentium M
Turion 64 is the same thing as athlon 64, for laptops... low power usage and low heat, but the only real advantage over pentium m is the fact that its 64bit.
 
overclockable.
2ghz default, 2.4ghz EASILY
no overvolting at all, that mean's it doesn't harm it at all and doesn't barely raise heat.
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Oh I see...HHAHAHAH...that was stupid of me.

Hey Fade, I dont' know how many computers you've had before, but do you overclock all of them??


Athlon 64 is a basic single core AMD processor.
pentium 4 is a basic intel single core processor.
Pentium D would be dual core Pentium 4 basically.
Athlon 64 X2 is Athlon 64 dual core.
Pentium M is for laptops, and its basically Pentium 3 continued, revised, made better. low power usage and low heat.
Core duo is basically dual core pentium M
Turion 64 is the same thing as athlon 64, for laptops... low power usage and low heat, but the only real advantage over pentium m is the fact that its 64bit.
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Awesome....Exactly What I needed to know...Can you tell me what does "Core" mean? Single core and dual core?

Thank you Fade, you're great.
 
AMD and Intel

While we are on the subject of INtel and AMD, I researched about both of them and all of research came with this result.

Overall choose AMD for its stability.

What does stability mean? What do they mean?

Doesn't stability comes from Operating system and hardware component?

Does AMD utilizes the Operating system better than Intel? Is that why they are more "STABLE?"


Thank you
 
Stability can mean a few things. In CPUs, it means they won't break or fry themselves, although the other things you listed also have stability parameters and affect the system's stability.

I don't know about O/S optimization, but AMDs usually have less heat issues then some other pentium CPUs.


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Doesn't stability comes from Operating system and hardware component?



Thank you
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The processor is also a hardware component.

BTW, for the future use the edit button in the lower right if you forgot to add something. It helps keep the forum clean.
 
Hey Fade, I dont' know how many computers you've had before, but do you overclock all of them??
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this is my first :)
my dad used to have a P4 2.4ghz with ddr266 512mb, but he doesn't like the idea of overclocking and he wouldnt let me.

Awesome....Exactly What I needed to know...Can you tell me what does "Core" mean? Single core and dual core?
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the core is the part of the processor that does the processing... for instance 2*2=4, thats the part that processes it.
the ghz or mhz otherwise known as frequency is just how fast it sends the information. frequency is also known as clockspeed, clocks cycles (1mhz = 1million clock cycles per second and 1ghz = 1 billion clock cycles per second) i believe the speed of light is somewhere around 7-8ghz or something like that but im not sure.

if an application only needs a certain amount of processing, and only uses one core (most apps are designed to run this way) then dual core has no advantage. Quake 4 is optimized for dual core, however :)
it also helps in encoding and converting because these have no limitations set on them...
however, if you like to run many applications (apps) at once, then dual core is definitely for you! also make sure you have enough ram i suggest 2gb, dual core won't help you if you don't have enough ram! :)
 
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SemiDevil said:
While we are on the subject of INtel and AMD, I researched about both of them and all of research came with this result.

Overall choose AMD for its stability.

What does stability mean? What do they mean?

Doesn't stability comes from Operating system and hardware component?

Does AMD utilizes the Operating system better than Intel? Is that why they are more "STABLE?"


Thank you
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i don't know where you got that from but it sounds like b.s.
Athlon 64 is a better core, pentium 4 has higher clocks. they perform differently thats all... also pentium 4 has hyperthreading which optimizes for multithreaded apps. overall dual core is more effective than hyperthreading... but hyperthreading just optimizes the usage of each core really.
 
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I don't know about O/S optimization, but AMDs usually have less heat issues then some other pentium CPUs.
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The Pentium 8xx series had serious heat issues, but the 9xx series runs just as cool as the 64 X2s.



I don't know where you (Semidevil) got the A64s being more stable. Actually, the Intel P4s were recommended (in their day) as great stable processors (more not for gaming, like working). Hence the Intels more as work processors, AMD more for gaming.
 
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