IDE Problem

aSc1@3

aSc1@3

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Hello, I am building an Intel system(you could probably find it in the older Desktop Computer Threads titled Help Please rate parts) with either this

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813135063

or this

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813186138

mobo. They both have 1 ide port, and i have an ide dvd burner and 160gb hdd. Is it safe to put them both on the same channel, or should i buy this or a similar ide card?http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16815124001

Thank you for any help!
 
It's not a good idea to put two devices that need to operate at the same time on one IDE channel. A burner will need to get data from a hard drive. IMHO you need an IDE card to have two separate channels.
 
I have to disagree with that a little when even seeing a sata dvd burner bog down while burning data from either an ide or sata drive due the demand seen for cpu time. The last build here saw two ide hard drives along with two ide optical drives and any data dvd projects simply placed a load on the cpu.

With 4 sata ports seen on the Foxconn model at the second link you could simply go with a sata not ide optical drive or both optical and hard drives being sata. The purchase of a card for use on the pci bus simply adds another item to slow things down.
 
Its safe but no ideal, I have 2 running in the house that way. If your using the harddrive as a storage drive it makes no difference. If you have a burner on the same IDE channel as the OS harddrive and try to burn data at high speed off the Harddrive you might create a bottleneck at some point.
 
For cd-rs and rws you won't generally see anything bog down. For data dvds and even more demanding any video projects the load is mainly placed on the cpu itself. With dvd burning you are trying to process a much larger amount of data for one thing or another calling for more cpu time as the rule. That's one reason why having a dual core over a single core cpu can make a large difference on an older system.
 
This has nothing to do with CPU time nor was the poster asking that, dont keep drifting off!. The CPU time will be the same even if they were on different IDE channels, mute point!! The question is, will it cause to much traffic on the same IDE channel with a OS drive and a DVD burner on the same IDE channel
 
And having burned dvd from data stored on the same channel as well as the second channel it simply came to essentially the same thing. The cd writer here(ide) was tried for data for stored on the ide drive on the same single channel(ide now gone) and on one of the pair of sata drives to see no extra time involved.

The current build sees a sata dvd drive leaving that out since the last case saw a single core cpu with an ide type dvd burner there. The dual core takes on the demands without bogging down explaining for a 5min. burn over the 20min, on the last case.
 
actually, it doesnt make a difference if they are on the same cable. just make sure you are using an 80 conductor cable and a that your jumper settings are correct.
 
well, pc-eye, should i then get an ide to sata adapter? i'm on a tight budget, and i already have an ide dvd-rw and a ide hdd, and i don's want to spend extra on a sata replacement.
 
If you were planning a new build soon to run sata drives there an adapter would be a thought as well as simply moving one bought at this time into a newer case later. But why the need for an adapter in the first place?

The two different boards at the links show each having 4 sata ports already. You simply plug a sata drive into a sata port like the primary master for drive #1. The present trend at this time is towards sata.

With the board here seeing 6 sata ports I'm still waiting to see the ide cd burner replaced with a sata model to say "good bye"! for the last time of using an ide cable. Most will simply see a sata drive to start of with and add another one in if needed later.
 
aSc1@3 said:
well, pc-eye, should i then get an ide to sata adapter? i'm on a tight budget, and i already have an ide dvd-rw and a ide hdd, and i don's want to spend extra on a sata replacement.
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No, you will be fine running your drive and harddrive on the same channel, the only performance hit you might get is if your burning a large video file you might have to drop it down a speed or two to keep from bogging down your IDE channel but that would only be in extreme cases.
 
You'll find any lags while burning a large video file to a blank dvd-r mainly the load placed on the cpu. That's referred to cpu time demand there. Mainly you see that with the single core not dual core models since a second core will kick in to take up the slack once the primary starts to bog down.

If you were planning to buy new drives rather then simply using the current you already in a new build sata would still be the preferred option at this point. With Core 2 Duo, Extreme, or even quad you won't be running into the cpu bog downs when going to burn something you would see on older systems with single core cpus.
 
Well, what about pentium dual-core? i definetly cannot afford a core 2 duo. and what i meant is that i currently have 1 ide hdd and 1 ide dvd-burner. And your responses say that it still may be bad to have them both on a single ide channel, so should i get a ide to sata adapter so i could plug the (probably) hdd into a sata port. seemed like you guys were a little confused.
 
PCeye will you stick to the subject, this thread is not about how much CPU time it will take to burn files. The CPU time will be the same if its done from 2 IDE channels or if there both on one IDE channel. The thread is about if it will cause to much traffic on one IDE channel if the burner and harddrive is on the same one. You continually drag thing off subject just to keep posting. Repeat, this has nothing to do with single or dual core CPU or CPU time. Its about IDE traffic on one IDE channel.
 
That is the subject since the problem isn't with seeing two drives on one ide channel. I've been doing that like any number of other people for a good number of years already.

aSc1 @3 you have to go by what your personal budget allows there. All anyone can do here is simply point out the benefits when you are able to build a better case at some point. For the time being there isn't any need for special adapters. Burning a disk will simply take a little longer to see done for the reasons explained.
 
aSc1@3 said:
They both have 1 ide port, and i have an ide dvd burner and 160gb hdd. Is it safe to put them both on the same channel
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PC eye said:
That is the subject since the problem isn't with seeing two drives on one ide channel. I've been doing that like any number of other people for a good number of years already.
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It seems like that was the question to me, didnt see anything about a CPU other than you bringing it up. You should have told him it would not be a problem like I did from the very start instead of draging him through all that crap.
 
asc1@3, I have the same problem, all ide devices and only 1 on new board, I just spent the $13 and got this: Express PCI-E IDE ATA 133 + SATA Combo RAID Card....I was always taught in college that putting a hd and cd on same port would slow it down but I really don't know so I just spent the money. Too bad I can't swap out the new in box 200 hd for a sata hd and that would have solved my problem. So in short spend the money.
 
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