Intel vs AMD

[StrangleHold]

They want to compete with the new centurion chips, but the TDP is a very large miss for this cpu...

Wont do much good, dont know if its really true or not. The price seems to be really over the top for limited supply edition which probably wont overclock but a few 100 over the 8350.

I've heard they have been quiet about it, but Steamroller will be released pretty soon.

 

[ABenz99]

So after reading everyone's reply's and talking to a few people, I decided I should go with this processor, http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115229, Is that a good choice? Also it has a LGA 2011 socket, so I can upgrade to a six core model in the future if I get the money.

 

[ABenz99]

This is the motherboard I plan on getting with it, http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131800

 

[FuryRosewood]

if you can spare the extra 50 bucks id grab the Deluxe. Comes with Wifi and other goodies. I use the board, works well. The 3820 is a fine chip, will oc to 4.3ghz without issues, as long as you invest in cooling, id recommend the h100 or h100i for that cpu as long as the case supports the cooler.

 

[Virssagòn]

Wont do much good, dont know if its really true or not. The price seems to be really over the top for limited supply edition which probably wont overclock but a few 100 over the 8350.

I've heard they have been quiet about it, but Steamroller will be released pretty soon.

http://wccftech.com/gigabyte-confirms-upcoming-5ghz-amd-fx-processors-computex-2013/
They're pretty sure about 2 cpus FX8750 and FX 9000.
First cpus with steamroller cores will be kaveri in the 4Q of this year, FX chips will come later, probably next year.
I also heard that some kaveri chips are already sent to consumers for testing, but the date is stated very clear Q4 2013.

 

[87dtna]

So after reading everyone's reply's and talking to a few people, I decided I should go with this processor, http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115229, Is that a good choice? Also it has a LGA 2011 socket, so I can upgrade to a six core model in the future if I get the money.

This is the motherboard I plan on getting with it, http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131800

Quite honestly, the 4770k easily outperforms the 3820 in everything. The 3820 does not have a completely unlocked multiplier, it has a limit. The 4770k is faster clock for clock, but also overclocks higher and easier (you can just use the multiplier to overclock, no need to touch the base clock).

Also, motherboards for the 4770k are 1/2 as much. Case in point, this ASRock board has tons of bells and whistles for only $170!

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157371

Being able to future upgrade to a hex core is not worth the current price you'd pay for outdated hardware now. Plus, the 4770k competes against the 3930k hex core quite well, and is only slightly slower in heavily threaded applications.

Take a look at the bench comparisons-

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/836?vs=552

90% of applications are only single threaded, which the 4770k is the king of. 7% more use 4 or less threads, and only 3% of things you can do on a PC can utilize more than 4 threads (though the 4770k has 8 threads so it's still not slow at anything).


So, the motherboard/cpu combo you'd be saving $90 on, the 4770k is far more energy efficient, it's the latest cutting edge technology not a year and a half old, the CPU coolers for it are more readily available and are cheaper, it overclocks easier, runs cooler, and is faster in most applications than even a 3930k.

 

[Virssagòn]

Quite honestly, the 4770k easily outperforms the 3820 in everything. The 3820 does not have a completely unlocked multiplier, it has a limit. The 4770k is faster clock for clock, but also overclocks higher and easier (you can just use the multiplier to overclock, no need to touch the base clock).

Also, motherboards for the 4770k are 1/2 as much. Case in point, this ASRock board has tons of bells and whistles for only $170!

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157371

Being able to future upgrade to a hex core is not worth the current price you'd pay for outdated hardware now. Plus, the 4770k competes against the 3930k hex core quite well, and is only slightly slower in heavily threaded applications.

Take a look at the bench comparisons-

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/836?vs=552

90% of applications are only single threaded, which the 4770k is the king of. 7% more use 4 or less threads, and only 3% of things you can do on a PC can utilize more than 4 threads (though the 4770k has 8 threads so it's still not slow at anything).


So, the motherboard/cpu combo you'd be saving $90 on, the 4770k is far more energy efficient, it's the latest cutting edge technology not a year and a half old, the CPU coolers for it are more readily available and are cheaper, it overclocks easier, runs cooler, and is faster in most applications than even a 3930k.

You really think the 4770K is heaven, but it's only about 3-5% faster (or less) then a 3770K in terms of cpu performance...

 

[87dtna]

Well I'm not disagreeing with that, and nowhere did I say it wasn't. I compared it to the I7 3820, in which case it out classes it in every aspect. There's just no point in buying a 3770k anymore when a 4770k is $30 more. Plus, you get the newer socket 1150 with the Z87 chipset which supports more sata 6gb/s ports than a Z77 does. You can now RAID more than 2 sata 6gb/s drives on an intel board finally.

 

[StrangleHold]

http://wccftech.com/gigabyte-confirms-upcoming-5ghz-amd-fx-processors-computex-2013/
They're pretty sure about 2 cpus FX8750 and FX 9000.
First cpus with steamroller cores will be kaveri in the 4Q of this year, FX chips will come later, probably next year.
I also heard that some kaveri chips are already sent to consumers for testing, but the date is stated very clear Q4 2013.

Still not sure about it. Dont know why they would call it a 8750 and 9000. They already had a Phenom 8000 and 9000 series, even a 8750. Instead of like a 8390 and 8400. could leave open 8370 to slid in another one.

Heard that Steamroller will be the last AM socket. From then on they will be all one socket FM. Dont know if the FX will disappear and they all will be APUs. Then I've heard there will be a FX, but both APU and FX will fit the same socket. I know the steamroller FX is suppost to have clock mesh.

 

[2048Megabytes]

Heard that Steamroller will be the last AM socket. From then on they will be all one socket FM. Dont know if the FX will disappear and they all will be APUs. Then I've heard there will be a FX, but both APU and FX will fit the same socket. I know the steamroller FX is supposed to have clock mesh.

Is Advanced Micro Devices going to up the pin count on future processors? Intel has got 2011 contacts on their Socket LGA2011. Likely this helps with processing power.

 

[FuryRosewood]

I always laugh when someone brings up the x770 is faster than a 3820, but you are comparing the entry level chip of socket 2011 to the top of the basket chip to 115x. If need be, they could swap the chip to a 3930k or 4930k, when the latter comes out, then see who is truely the workhorse (spoiler alert, it wont be haswell )

 

[StrangleHold]

Is Advanced Micro Devices going to up the pin count on future processors? Intel has got 2011 contacts on their Socket LGA2011. Likely this helps with processing power.

Have no idea. If there is still a FX around after Steamroller both the FX and APU is suppost to be a single socket. Dont think pin count has anything to do with it. If pin count was needed I dont see why they couldnt have added them to FM2 and AM3+. The FM2 only has 904 even with a built in GPU, AM3+ has 940. Intel standard is 1155. The FX on AM3+ doesnt have to deal with a GPU/PCIe traffic. Intel Core 2 on 775 was faster then a AM2 Athlon 64 with 165 less pins. AMD is just suffering from a IPC lag because of the size of L1 and speed of the L2. Plus needs dedicated decoders. A few others.

 

[Pichu]

I still use a AMD Athlon II CPU in my laptop and it has served me well.

I don't get how a CPU with the same clock speed is any better then another of the same speed and other things like how it handles Process Control Blocks etc...but then again I am not all knowing when it comes to CPU's.

 

[2048Megabytes]

Socket AM3+ has 940.

I thought that Socket AM3+ processors had 938-pins. The Socket AM3+ layout has 942-pin holes, but the processor has 940-pins?

I think it is good that Socket AM4 will be the last legacy socket for AMD processors in this series. It is time to move on and up.

I am personally impressed by Advanced Micro Devices performance improvement from the Phenom II 980 to the Vishera series of processors.

 

[87dtna]

I always laugh when someone brings up the x770 is faster than a 3820, but you are comparing the entry level chip of socket 2011 to the top of the basket chip to 115x. If need be, they could swap the chip to a 3930k or 4930k, when the latter comes out, then see who is truely the workhorse (spoiler alert, it wont be haswell )

If you read my post at all, most of the time I was comparing the 4770k to the 3930k.

Atleast 90% of apps are single threaded, which the 4770k is king of, and it will also easily beat the 3930k in everything up to 4 threads as well. Probably only 3 to 5% of things you can do on a PC use more than 4 threads anyway, and the 4770k is certainly not what you would call slow at any of them. The 3930k does not ''cream'' the 4770k at anything at all. And it's certainly not worth paying $300 for a 3820 now and $500+ for a 4930k later. And the 4930k is only Ivy Bridge anway, so the 4770k will still be faster in single threaded before it's even released.

 

[StrangleHold]

I thought that Socket AM3+ processors had 938-pins. The Socket AM3+ layout has 942-pin holes, but the processor has 940-pins?

Was thinking AM2/+ for some reason.

 

[FuryRosewood]

If you read my post at all, most of the time I was comparing the 4770k to the 3930k.

Atleast 90% of apps are single threaded, which the 4770k is king of, and it will also easily beat the 3930k in everything up to 4 threads as well. Probably only 3 to 5% of things you can do on a PC use more than 4 threads anyway, and the 4770k is certainly not what you would call slow at any of them. The 3930k does not ''cream'' the 4770k at anything at all. And it's certainly not worth paying $300 for a 3820 now and $500+ for a 4930k later. And the 4930k is only Ivy Bridge anway, so the 4770k will still be faster in single threaded before it's even released.

Even with that single threaded performance you are raving about, if the app needs more threads than what the 4xxx chips can deliver, SB-E tears it apart due to simple math. More is MORE. If its only working a single worker Haswell is fine for you, but if you need 12 whole workers, SB-E and IB-E will get the job done. I still think having more workers is better for me, if its not for you, that's great.

 

[Virssagòn]

Most of the singlethreaded applications only perform small tasks, so you won't see a big difference between AMD and Intel. If the app needs to perform a bigger task, he'll use more threads to get it done faster (most newer apps).
Also, threads do matter in terms of fluency, if you run multiple programs at once, you'll want more threads. Also the latest games require more threads, you'll maybe get good fps, but you'll also have huge drops in fps at some point. (For CPUs with 2 or less threads)

 

[87dtna]

if the app needs more threads than what the 4xxx chips can deliver, SB-E tears it apart due to simple math.

No, it doesn't.

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/836?vs=552

Take a look at encoding benches, it's 26 VS 22 seconds. OMG 4 seconds, that was so worth that extra several hundred dollars right?

If you compare the 4770k to the 3820, the 4770k beats the 3820 by a LOT more than the 3930k beats the 4770k.

if you run multiple programs at once, you'll want more threads.

Probably the only valid point brought up so far...but the 4770k is faster clock for clock PLUS it can overclock better too. It does even the playing field somewhat.

If you look at cinebench, that simulates stressing every thread the CPU has. The 3930k was only 6% faster with it's 12 threads than a 4770k with 8. Those 8 threads have such higher efficiency it gets the job done nearly as fast anyway.

The main problem is he cannot afford the 3930k right off the bat. Buying a 3820 to eventually upgrade to a 3930k or 4930k is just a huge waste of money. First of all, it will most likely never happen. He'll be pretty happy with the 3820's performance because it's still a strong CPU for multitasking so he will never upgrade. SO, just get the 4770k now and get it over with because the 4770k whips the 3820 like a red headed step child.

Also the latest games require more threads, you'll maybe get good fps, but you'll also have huge drops in fps at some point. (For CPUs with 2 or less threads)

When? 2-3 years from now when this hardware is obsolete anyway and you'll be upgrading again? The 4770k is plenty future proof for 100 FPS+ gaming for atleast 2 years if not 3, I garauntee it (meaning the CPU will not be the bottleneck).

And whats with this 2 or less threads, when did that even enter the discussion and why was that even said? We're comparing the 4770k to a 3930k here (or 3820), nothing is even less than 8 threads in this discussion let alone 2.



I seriously don't think anyone realizes just how much more money he'll spend going with socket 2011. First of all, he's gonna buy the 3820 first for $300. Once the 4930k is released, he'll be LUCKY to get $200 for it so bam right there a $100 loss. The 4930k will be ATLEAST $600, so right there $250 more than a 4770k so we're up to $350 now. Next, the motherboard is $130 more expensive, and throw in another $20 for having to have additional cooling. You'd possibly need to step up your power supply another 50-100w, throw in $25 for a better PSU. You need quad channel ram, so throw in $50 for an extra 2 sticks of ram. Grand total, $575 more than a 4770k. And thats only if the 4930k is released at the same price the 3930k was, it may be more. So possibly $600+ more expense than a 4770k.

 

[spirit]

I very rarely recommend LGA 2011. I tend to steer people towards 1155 (or 1150 now) with an i7 3770K or 4770K. Really, the 3770K and 4770K are plenty powerful enough for just about anything, especially once you've overclocked.

I'd recommend a 4770K and a Z87 board to this guy.