Intel's future

D@RKSID3 said:
point taken, proves how much i really know about processor's doesn't it. lol. so if the i5 has faster bus speed's, does this make it a better gaming processor?
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Nope, because as said before its going to be lacking in the pci express bandwidth area, for example:

X58 classified motherboard E760:
x8/x8/x8 Pci-e 2.0

X58 Classified E759:
x16/x16/x16 Pcie 2.0

P55 will be:
x8/x8/x4

And to show how lacking that is, my current motherboard, a 2 year old 790i ultra sli:
Two x16 pci-e 2.0
One x16 pci-e 1.0

That means i can tri sli at x16(1.0)/x16(2.0)/x16(2.0), and have more pci-e bandwidth than the P55 will have, on a ~2 year old motherboard.


Plus, P55 will only support dual channel, the current core i7 supports triple channel.
 
linkin93 said:
Interesting note on Intel buying some phone chip company and pairing with nokia... this could come out good, if AMD follows along! It'd be price wars with mobile phones, which is always good news!

I think AMD needs to catch up with intel, but no doubt they are developing something new to wipe the floor with intel.
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That's pretty wishful thinking. Right now the major mobile phone chip company is ARM Holdings, so that's who Intel will be competing with. AMD sold most of their assets related to mobile phone chips a couple of years ago, and they don't really look to be doing any sort of expansion right now. They haven't posted a profit since late 2006... I'm not sure how many more billions of dollars they can lose.



linkin93 said:
I have heard that the Core i5's will just be rebadged Core 2 Quads on a different socket. Can anyone confirm this?
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Definitely incorrect.
 
PohTayToez said:
That's pretty wishful thinking. Right now the major mobile phone chip company is ARM Holdings, so that's who Intel will be competing with. AMD sold most of their assets related to mobile phone chips a couple of years ago, and they don't really look to be doing any sort of expansion right now. They haven't posted a profit since late 2006... I'm not sure how many more billions of dollars they can lose.





Definitely incorrect.
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AMD's manufacturing division(globalfoundries) is building a new plant:
http://www.bizjournals.com/albany/stories/2009/07/20/daily45.html?jst=b_ln_hl
 
 
bomberboysk said:
Nope, because as said before its going to be lacking in the pci express bandwidth area, for example:

X58 classified motherboard E760:
x8/x8/x8 Pci-e 2.0

X58 Classified E759:
x16/x16/x16 Pcie 2.0

P55 will be:
x8/x8/x4

And to show how lacking that is, my current motherboard, a 2 year old 790i ultra sli:
Two x16 pci-e 2.0
One x16 pci-e 1.0

That means i can tri sli at x16(1.0)/x16(2.0)/x16(2.0), and have more pci-e bandwidth than the P55 will have, on a ~2 year old motherboard.


Plus, P55 will only support dual channel, the current core i7 supports triple channel.
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Just a little off. The i7 supports 32 lanes of pci-e. So, 16 x 8 x 8. The i5 has only 16 :rolleyes: 8 x 8... lolz.

I'll stick with my AMD Asus 780a board. 16 x 16 x 8. :cool:
 
PohTayToez said:
You mean the manufacturing division that they only own 34.2% stake in?

http://www.maximumpc.com/article/news/amd_sells_off_more_its_manufacturing_spinoff
http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Mobile-and-Wireless/AMD-Sells-Handset-Division-to-Qualcomm-for-65-Million/
http://gawker.com/5041320/amd-sells-digital-tv-arm-to-broadcom-for-193-million
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Doesnt matter what size stake they have. Under the contract they have 50% board members/votes. Nothing happens unless AMD goes along with it. The funny thing is Nvidia might use GF to produce some of there GPUs. And with the money pockets of the Abu Dhabi government and partnership with IBM, looks like a good setup to me. Why do you think Intel was pitching a screaming fit over it?
 
StrangleHold said:
Doesnt matter what size stake they have. Under the contract they have 50% board members/votes. Nothing happens unless AMD goes along with it. The funny thing is Nvidia might use GF to produce some of there GPUs. And with the money pockets of the Abu Dhabi government and partnership with IBM, looks like a good setup to me. Why do you think Intel was pitching a screaming fit over it?
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It does matter what stake they have, because having a smaller stake means that they're making a smaller investment, and will see smaller return. While opening a new plant certainly isn't a bad thing, it isn't as if this is evidence that AMD is doing ok, because their not. As you mentioned, GlobalFoundries does fabrication for more than just AMD, so this new plant doesn't necessarily mean that AMD will be producing more CPUs. Also, given the considerable initial investment, and the fact that the plant wont open until 2012, it's going to be a while before AMD sees any income from this venture.
 
PohTayToez said:
It does matter what stake they have, because having a smaller stake means that they're making a smaller investment, and will see smaller return. While opening a new plant certainly isn't a bad thing, it isn't as if this is evidence that AMD is doing ok, because their not. As you mentioned, GlobalFoundries does fabrication for more than just AMD, so this new plant doesn't necessarily mean that AMD will be producing more CPUs. Also, given the considerable initial investment, and the fact that the plant wont open until 2012, it's going to be a while before AMD sees any income from this venture.
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Well considering when they owned the fabs outright, there were losing money on them. They own 34% in all the fabs turned, not just the new one being built in NY. They have 50% voting rights on the board, so GF isnt doing anything without AMDs say so. Hell they would even make money fabing Nvidias chips, kinda funny. AMD in time will drop TSMC and GF will make all of there CPUs and GPUs. They will be the biggest customer for awhile if not a always. Abu Dhabi dumping money in the Fabs and a research buddy with IBM. They are a lot better off now then when they had full ownership.
 
Ethan3.14159 said:
I'll stick with my AMD Asus 780a board. 16 x 16 x 8. :cool:
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I don't quite understand the concept you're illustrating.

Here's the specs on my 1366 MOBO

2 x PCI Express x16 slots, running at x16 (PCIEX16_1/PCIEX16_2) (Note 3)
1 x PCI Express x8 slot, running at x8 (PCIEX8_1) (Note 4)
(The PCIEX16_1, PCIE16_2 and PCIEX8_1 slots support 2-Way/3-Way NVIDIA SLI/ATI CrossFireX technology and conform to PCI Express 2.0 standard.)

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128374
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Based on the highlighted info - doesn't that support 16x16x8?
 
Ethan3.14159 said:
Just a little off. The i7 supports 32 lanes of pci-e. So, 16 x 8 x 8. The i5 has only 16 :rolleyes: 8 x 8... lolz.

I'll stick with my AMD Asus 780a board. 16 x 16 x 8. :cool:
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IM referring to the X58 classified, which in tri sli is X8/X8/X8:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813188048

And has x8 reserved for the 4th pci-e slot.

Jamin43 said:
Based on the highlighted info - doesn't that support 16x16x8?
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x16x16 in SLI, x16x8x8 in tri sli i believe.
 
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So when the 4890x2 comes out, i know it only uses one pci-e slot, but does it use both slot's bandwith and run at x32, or does it just run a x16?
 
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