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Brandicimo

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Hi there, i am not the most computer savy person and need some help with getting a new computer. I know how to use computers really well i just don't really know what makes them run. So i was wondering if you guys could help me with a build for a computer.

Here is what i am going for:

-A computer that will be able to last and handle things in the future
-Runs extremely fast
-Has great visuals.
-Has wifi
-A good amount of memory
-Budget of around $1500

I will not be playing a lot of video games on this pc but will be using it for a lot of video editing and running programs. I have a stong emphasis on long lasting and speed. It would be nice if it could run a game like guild wars 2 in the future.

I will not be putting this pc together myself so i was wondering if you guys could use a build from this website and alter it for what i need.

http://www.cyberpowerpc.com/

Thank you for all your help and if you have any questions let me know

Brandon
 
I build a PC like I'm going to game on it and this would lintel lots speed and efficiency. For what you want you can build your own but if your not looking to do all that then you can buy a PC off the site you listed.

I saw the a computer on the front page "CyberPower X58 Configurator" has a nice set up but if your doing video graphics then i would recommend the "power mega 1000", don't think you will out grow that anytime soon.

A few things to keep in mind, RAM you can always add later as they get cheaper, Hard drives, you can add external or build a server down the line ( my friends always look at HD space when buying a computer thinking it would make it better...which it wont ) so buy a good processor and mother board... maybe a good power supply as well and your cooking. The Mega series i mentioned will give you RAM, processor, Memory and a hefty HDrive.
 
Awesome Thank you for your help. This helps me out a lot

One Question if i upgrade the processor on the mega 1000 to an i7 would it be worth it or dont even bother
 
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Brandicimo said:
Awesome Thank you for your help. This helps me out a lot

One Question if i upgrade the processor on the mega 1000 to an i7 would it be worth it or dont even bother
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Well the price difference between the two models are expensive but thats because there adding more features ( the processors alone are $60 differences )The differences between the i5 2500K and the i7 960 is the thread count, it has 4 more to total 8 and other non essential features for your application....for that price. What i mean by this is if the price difference was say $100 between the two setups they are offering you then yes get the i7 machine but there adding more options to USB bus and hard drives....etc to the $1900 package.

Remember I'm basing this off what you are using it for, if you said i want to game would recommend something different....but your not going to grow out of this.

Don't hesitate to ask :)
 
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dukat03 said:
I build a PC like I'm going to game on it and this would lintel lots speed and efficiency. For what you want you can build your own but if your not looking to do all that then you can buy a PC off the site you listed.

I saw the a computer on the front page "CyberPower X58 Configurator" has a nice set up but if your doing video graphics then i would recommend the "power mega 1000", don't think you will out grow that anytime soon.

A few things to keep in mind, RAM you can always add later as they get cheaper, Hard drives, you can add external or build a server down the line ( my friends always look at HD space when buying a computer thinking it would make it better...which it wont ) so buy a good processor and mother board... maybe a good power supply as well and your cooking. The Mega series i mentioned will give you RAM, processor, Memory and a hefty HDrive.
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dukat03 said:
Well the price difference between the two models are expensive but thats because there adding more features ( the processors alone are $60 differences )The differences between the i5 2500K and the i7 960 is the thread count, it has 4 more to total 8 and other non essential features for your application....for that price. What i mean by this is if the price difference was say $100 between the two setups they are offering you then yes get the i7 machine but there adding more options to USB bus and hard drives....etc to the $1900 package.

Remember I'm basing this off what you are using it for, if you said i want to game would recommend something different....but your not going to grow out of this.

Don't hesitate to ask :)
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A 2500k would be the better option. No, the only difference isn't the thread count. Both have 8 threads, both are quad core processors with HyperThreading, that is the same. The 2500k has a much better, more efficient architecture, so much so much so that it is level, performance wise, with a 980x, even though it costs just a third of the price. Then, factor in that socket 1155 is still going to have more CPUs released, which will improve the longevity of the system because it can, in future, be upgraded without the need for a new motherboard, CPU and a fresh install of Windows, makes it even better.

On that second point, by going the socket 1366 route, which is what you advised, and later saying "I want more power, let's upgrade", a completely new copy of Windows would be required, because buying prebuilt = OEM OS = new chipset means the key will no longer work as it will see it as a whole new system.

He would also have to do a lot of configuring with the CyberPower system, because as standard it will come with junk to make it cheaper. It will have a poor power supply, and money wasted left right and centre.

In short, he would be better building his own on a socket 1155 system. It will last longer and be much better value for money.

CPU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115072

Mobo: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157229

Memory: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231426

PSU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817151094

Video Card: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130660

Case: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119216

SSD: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820167050

Hard Drives: 2 x http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822152245

DVD RW: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827136238

OS: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832116716

Total: $1420

Total after shipping: ~$1440

You are getting there:

Much better quality parts
More powerful/faster parts with scope for easy upgrades
A system more suited to your uses.

Note though that there is an SSD and 2 hard drives.

The SSD would be there for Windows, games and frequently used programs only. You would never save pictures, videos, music, files etc to it, only those frequently used programs. The reason for this is because an SSD is a hell of a lot quicker than a conventional drive, so it helps immensely with boot times and load times. Those which I mentioned you shouldn't put on, they already load extremely quickly from a hard drive, and so wouldn't benefit from the speed - it would be wasted space and wasted read/write cycles for the SSD.

The 2 hard drive would then be put in RAID1. I assume, as you do video editing a lot, you store a lot of videos, and some of these you would need a solid back up of. RAID1 will put the same data on both drives, effectively backing up as you go, so your data is always safe. If one drive fails, the other has that data intact, so you have that safety net.

Those drives would be used for your videos, infrequently used programs, pictures, files etc. Things that are either storage data, programs that are used rarely, or small programs that won't benefit from the speed of the SSD a whole lot.
 
Wow thank you guys for the posts this really helps. A lot of information though so i will probably be asking some questions if thats ok.

@Aastii just to clarify. The SSD would be for like windows and programs that i use on the daily. The other two hard drives would be for my actual videos and the other crap that i never need.

Also, would it be that worth it to get the two hard drives and make copies of everything. If so thats fine but the less money the better you know.

Ok so thought of some questions:
-Is the 520W power supply gonna be able to run all of that?
-Would it be worth it to get any kind of liquid cooling or do you think it would be fine without it?
-I forgot to mention that i will most likely need a wireless router for this pc until i move out of my apartment. Any recommendations on that.

Thanks again for all the help. I really appreciate it.
 
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Brandicimo said:
Wow thank you guys for the posts this really helps. A lot of information though so i will probably be asking some questions if thats ok.

@Aastii just to clarify. The SSD would be for like windows and programs that i use on the daily. The other two hard drives would be for my actual videos and the other crap that i never need.

Also, would it be that worth it to get the two hard drives and make copies of everything. If so thats fine but the less money the better you know.

Ok so though of some questions:
-Is the 520W power supply gonna be able to run all of that?
-Would it be worth it to get any kind of liquid cooling or do you think it would be fine without it?
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Pretty much. To clarify absolutely:

The SSD is for:

Windows
Regularly used programs (however see the HDD's)
"Slow" loading programs (10 sec +)
Games

The HDD's:

Files/Pictures/Music/Videos etc
Programs that load quickly, INCLUDING frequently used ones (-5 seconds), for instance, your web browser

You can save money by getting only one hard drive and backing everything up elsewhere, be it on CD's, DVD's, external hard drive etc, however this way is easier, even though it means spending that extra money. Either way, so long as you have some sort of back up routine for your important data so should things go the wrong way you aren't left unable to retrieve data that is crucial, you are good to go.

There is another sollution too that will save money, but will drastically increase load times, and that is drop the SSD in favour of just a conventional hard drive.

A 520W is plenty to power that much. The one I posted is an extremely high quality power supply as well, so it is efficient and provides very clean, stable power.

And no, I would not bother with liquid cooling. If you were to, in the future, or even when you first get the sysetm, overclock anything, I would get an aftermarket heatsink. The graphics card heatsink will be enough for a decent overclock, and the stock CPU heatsink should get you to at least 3.8-4GHz without issue, but to keep the temperatures down and potentially push the chip further, I would strongly recommend a heatsink.

If you do not plan on overclocking later down the line, don't worry about cooling, the stock cooling will be plenty. If, however you do, add:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835103089

or

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835109030

the second would be my choice. Both are outstanding coolers, however the second runs a fair amount quieter than the V6 does, whilst yielding the same cooling performance
 
Awesome thank you for all the help this has been great.

I have a 1tb external drive so that is what i think i will use for back ups.

I definitely will go with the SSD; I have looked into a little more and it sounds great.

Thank you again for all the help. I will probably post a new thread with my final build, but you guys have been great I really appreciate it.
 
dukat03 said:
a bit late to respond but are you sure they both have the same thread count ?

http://ark.intel.com/Product.aspx?id=37151

http://ark.intel.com/Product.aspx?id=52210
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I stand corrected. Having done some more research, the 2500 and lower CPU's do not have HyperThreading. Intel had (has) misleading information regarding HyperThreading + i5's, which stems from the fact they are planning on having i5 Sandy Bridge CPU's with hyperthreading, but none are currently out yet.

Even so, the 2500k still tops the i7 960 on account of the much better architecture
 
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The Core i5 2500 has around the same processing power as the Core i7 960, but the 2500 is about $70 less in price. Intel's Hyperthreading is over rated. It probably only adds about 10 percent more in processing power.

The Core i5 2500 and the i5 2500K are both great processors for your $$$.
 
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