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ricoswavydog

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hey all big time noob here last time i got a new comp the 3200 was top of the line any ways i need a new comp

heres what i need it for
store music files burn dvds to disk to watch them on my dvd player in car surff net and i ebay alot

games i play are wow, everquest ,simcity4 deluxe,homeworld2 may want to play splintercell and games like that

i also want bragging rights to my friends i have $2500 to spend but want a 20" lcd with that

looking for the biggest bang for my buck fastest computer ect...


most important is this time i want it to last more then 2 or 3 years cuz i have become disabled and will not have anymore money to buy a new one in the near future

bad things to note is i smoke (alot) when playing games also my little dog sheads alot so my computer is always getting cloged up so this time i want a fanless comp like water cooled

who can suggest all the parts i would need that will not take me over budget?

my friend is good at building them and can put something together for me but you guys know better what componits would be biggest bang for me
heres what i was thinking but i have been told it is over kill for me

mb-- asus striker extreme (note) not going with doul video cards
c.p.u.--- q6700 (note) would like faster if can get in budget
ram--- 2 or 4 gb ddr2-800 cl5
video card---bfg 8800gts water cooled
o.s.--- vista ultimate (note) or do i need that i like to play some old games
is there a xp that is 64 bit ? if i go 4gb ram
hard drive--- wd1500 150gb 10,000 rpm
cd/dvd burner---???
power supply--- 750-1000watts
water cooling tower---???
water cooling kit---???
screen--- something like 20" samsung 206bw

all this takes me over budget about $500-800

so where can i cut and improve

or just have fun and build me one that will work for me i'm tired and my brain hurts looking

thanks
 
Watercooling is crap. People have gotten better temps with air cooling. Anyways, once it springs and leak, your computer'll be dead. Not worth it in my opinion.

You dog sheads, it's ok. Just get an fan with those filters, you fine. You smoke, that should be fine... (even you should quit :P)

$2500-

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115026
QX6850

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128050
P35-DS3R

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814186021
8800GTX

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136062
160GB SATAII WD 16mb

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827106070
SATA Lite-on DVD Burner

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820145175
XMS2 DDR2-800 (x2 for 4GB)

http://www.directron.com/ninehundred.html
Antec 900

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817341002
OCZ GameXstream 700W ATX 20+4

^^^ Worried about PSU. Ceewi1, whats you opinion? Unsufficient?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824252008
22" 5ms... LCD.

TOTAL : After rebates, shipping included (except the Antec 900 one) - $2287.67
 
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oscaryu1 said:
Watercooling is crap. People have gotten better temps with air cooling. Anyways, once it springs and leak, your computer'll be dead. Not worth it in my opinion.
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You seriously have NO IDEA what you are talking about.

Watercooling is by far superior to air cooling in terms of cooling performance, and no one has ever achieved lower temps by using air cooling. And unless your a retard and/or buy a cheapo kit, it will not spring a leak.
 
[-0MEGA-];789643 said:
You seriously have NO IDEA what you are talking about.

Watercooling is by far superior to air cooling in terms of cooling performance, and no one has ever achieved lower temps by using air cooling. And unless your a retard and/or buy a cheapo kit, it will not spring a leak.
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From the other threads on here it seems like people has had problems. In my words, if your experienced in WC, then go for it. I've also heard that people had no difference from air cooling, only in the deeper temps part.
 
oscaryu1 said:
From the other threads on here it seems like people has had problems. In my words, if your experienced in WC, then go for it. I've also heard that people had no difference from air cooling, only in the deeper temps part.
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I havent seen many threads at all about people having problems with it, except people who always say don't go with water cooling because of the risks. As long as you buy a quality kit, or even better individual parts, and test it outside of your case, nothing should go wrong. As for the temps, water cooling should keep your processor and other components near ambient temps.
 
[-0MEGA-];789690 said:
I'm not sure what you're trying to show, but there are hundreds of threads about high temps using stock and aftermarket air coolers.

It's a fact, water is a better conductor of heat and can transfer it much easier then air, or any gas.
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OK Thank you for correcting me. Personally I don't like watercooling. If you like it, feel free to either critique my build or make your own build including it. As I am not very WC literate.
 
oscaryu1 said:
OK Thank you for correcting me. Personally I don't like watercooling. If you like it, feel free to either critique my build or make your own build including it. As I am not very WC literate.
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Watercooling isn't for everyone, even I dont have a WC setup. I would only recommend it to those who want to do some heavy overclocking, or just want to play around with it.

Even though the chances of it actually leaking are slim, there are still risks involved, and it's not for the novice PC builder.
 
The build Oscar did for you is a decent build. One thing I would recommend, unless you are serious about trying to really impress your friends...which after the first time they see it are just going to go "ehh" anyways.

Drop the QX6850 and go for the Q6600. It will be such a huge increase over what you have currently you won't notice the difference. But you will save ~$700 that you can put towards better components, such as your water cooling. And with water cooling you can overclock that q6600 past the qx6850's speeds in like 2 minutes in your bios. Easy.


If you wan't a good hassle free water cooling kit I suggest one of swiftech's upper kits. I bought the Swiftech H20-220 Apex Ultra, and it is awesome. Grab 2 swiftech mcw30 chipset water blocks, for your northbridge and southbridge. And a block for your 8800.

With those kits I would recommend some extra tubing, because your going to need it with all the extra blocks. And some fluid xp+ for some decent cooling liquid. With that you would be set.

The apex ultra kit comes with just about everything you would need, except those blocks and such mentioned above.

With that substitution you would end up under budget as far as I can see, and you would have a really decent cooling setup.

But keep in mind you still need fans. Other components heat up that still need air flow. If you need to water cool everything, then your looking at ram, psu, mosfets among other things, which i don't think is worth it. Those work fine enough, just give em a couple fans.



EDIT: You may want to get some higher speed ram. The P35-DS3R is a great board and great overclocker, but as far as i can see you can't unlink the ram from the fsb. So as you overclock your cpu, your memory is going to increase as well. If you want to suck more performance out of that rig by overclocking I suggest ddr2 1066 or something of the like. As you can see my corsair ddr2 800 overclocked easy to 950 speeds, but that doesn't mean your memory will go that high.
 
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I agree with Nightrain, I'd definitively go for Q6600 instead of QX6850. Sure enough the later is more powerful, but at 4 times the price, its definitively not the best bang for the buck. As for water cooling, I know nothing of it, I know its good, but I'm wondering if you plan on overclocking, because that info would be useful.

Then, there's a little suggestion I have for you. I personally wouldn't go for a 2.5k rig and then be left out with nothing specially if you know you have no income and that you will be forced to keep this rig longer than you'd like. Instead I'd get a rig that would be about as powerful (for example QX6850 vs Q6600) but that would be below your budget (I believe you can easily get it to 2k or maybe less) and keep that money towards your next computer in 3 or so years. That way you can definitively make the fun last.

Also, I read somewhere that if you did not needed a computer desperatly now, waiting til around January 2008 would be a good idea, but then again knowing that in computers waiting a few months will always lead to cheaper and/or better parts, I don't know what I'd do with that comment.

So yah, basicly I suggest you go for a little cheaper and leave room for your next computer. And last thing, I believe in LCD screens, 22" is quite a sweet spot. Just like for HDD, 320gb or 500gb is quite a good price/gb and even if its not a 10k HDD, you can get much more storage for cheaper.
 
Yeah i'd go with the Q6600 instead too. Your not doing anything major by what you said so it will be fine and save you a lot. With the extra money go for some nice water cooling and maybe a larger monitor
 
thank you for your input i think i will go with a asus p5k board makeing a new computer is not easy there are many asus p5k mother boards what one is the best for me http://usa.asus.com/search.aspx?searchitem=1&searchkey=p5k

i think for sure i don't want the quad core but for sure i will be water coolinging it

i have been looking at the koolance water cooled cases any input on that ?
i will go with the q6600 cpu and clocking it but not too much

i want to make sure i buy the right case for the right mother board
i don't have the money to buy thing that don't work together

one more question is ddr3 worth the investment? these days or should i get a set up that will use that and later upgrade it when the prices go down
 
DDR3 currently does not offer a good performance/cost and DDR2 just does the job, so I would not suggest it.

I'll make you a suggestion which won't differ too much from oscaryu, but you will need someone else to suggest you osmethne for water cooling.

Mobo: Asus P5k 134.99
CPU: Intel Q6600 277.99
HDD: SATA WD 500gb 109.99
GPU: BFG 8800GTX 529.99
RAM: Corsair XMS2 DDR2-800 2x1gb 81.00
DVD: SATA Lite-on DVD burner 30.99
PSU: Corsair 520hx 119.99 or Corsair 620hx 169.99
Case: Antec P182 154.99

Monitor: Acer 22" 5ms 234.99 or Acer 24" 5ms 399.99

With the 520hx and the 22" monitor, it comes up to 1674.92, leaving plenty of room for a good water cooling.
With the 620hx and the 24" monitor, it comes up to 1889.92, leaving plenty of room for a good water cooling, but coming a lot closer to your 2.5k limit.

Finally, I only put 2gb of RAM because that is mostly all you'd need, if you need more, its easy enough to install and prices shouldn't go up.

I forgot about the O/S:
Windows Vista Home Premium 32bit 111.99 but it is still not as stable as Windows XP Pro 139.99
 
Kilauea said:
DDR3 currently does not offer a good performance/cost and DDR2 just does the job, so I would not suggest it.

I'll make you a suggestion which won't differ too much from oscaryu, but you will need someone else to suggest you osmethne for water cooling.

Mobo: Asus P5k 134.99
CPU: Intel Q6600 277.99
HDD: SATA WD 500gb 109.99
GPU: BFG 8800GTX 529.99
RAM: Corsair XMS2 DDR2-800 2x1gb 81.00
DVD: SATA Lite-on DVD burner 30.99
PSU: Corsair 520hx 119.99 or Corsair 620hx 169.99
Case: Antec P182 154.99

Monitor: Acer 22" 5ms 234.99 or Acer 24" 5ms 399.99

With the 520hx and the 22" monitor, it comes up to 1674.92, leaving plenty of room for a good water cooling.
With the 620hx and the 24" monitor, it comes up to 1889.92, leaving plenty of room for a good water cooling, but coming a lot closer to your 2.5k limit.

Finally, I only put 2gb of RAM because that is mostly all you'd need, if you need more, its easy enough to install and prices shouldn't go up.

I forgot about the O/S:
Windows Vista Home Premium 32bit 111.99 but it is still not as stable as Windows XP Pro 139.99
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Nice choices..

Motherboard - He doesn't need that good of an motherboard. If he wants to save money, get an http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128062 instead. 4GB support... and since only 2GB... :rolleyes:, also it supports 45nm processors

CPU - $277.99 right? Well -> http://www.centralcomputers.com/com...5803330D?product_id=59189&czuid=1192390140953 -> is $265.95 and has G0 stepping...

HDD - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136110 <- Same thing, $5 cheaper.

GFX - Do you have an reason to go with BFG? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814186021 <- Cheaper, and faster clock speed

PSU - Or this -> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817341002 Might run an bit hotter... but has more amperage, and wattage..

CASE - Why so expensive? Just get an Antec 900 -> http://www.clubit.com/product_detai...=OTC-Adwords&gclid=CJ7o-_uQj48CFRONgQodxWVwGw - $84.99 (compared to $129.99 newegg)

Or even the CHEAPER THAT NEWEGG P182 > http://www.securemart.com/cgi-bin/future/SMA0668923.html?pcode=1 <- It's $94.95 (:eek::eek: How much did you save? Like $60?)
 
oscaryu1 said:
Nice choices..

Motherboard - He doesn't need that good of an motherboard. If he wants to save money, get an http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128062 instead. 4GB support... and since only 2GB... :rolleyes:, also it supports 45nm processors

CPU - $277.99 right? Well -> http://www.centralcomputers.com/com...5803330D?product_id=59189&czuid=1192390140953 -> is $265.95 and has G0 stepping...

HDD - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136110 <- Same thing, $5 cheaper.

GFX - Do you have an reason to go with BFG? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814186021 <- Cheaper, and faster clock speed

PSU - Or this -> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817341002 Might run an bit hotter... but has more amperage, and wattage..

CASE - Why so expensive? Just get an Antec 900 -> http://www.clubit.com/product_detai...=OTC-Adwords&gclid=CJ7o-_uQj48CFRONgQodxWVwGw - $84.99 (compared to $129.99 newegg)

Or even the CHEAPER THAT NEWEGG P182 > http://www.securemart.com/cgi-bin/future/SMA0668923.html?pcode=1 <- It's $94.95 (:eek::eek: How much did you save? Like $60?)
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Yes you are right, many items can be changed.

For the prices, well I did not do any search regarding those, I basicly searched on Newegg and gave links to products, but if there are better prices elsewhere, that's even better. For the HDD tho, I went with SATA and 16mb cache, so that explains the 5$ difference.

I went with the P5K because I still want him to have the possibility to upgrade to 4gb if he needs. But you are right about the 45nm processors, but I do not know much about that, so I'll leave that to you or someone else.

For the GPU, I went with BFG for no big reasons, if the Foxconn is better then he should go for it.

For the PSU, I went with some that I knew were very highly regarded and that I knew would be sufficient to power a single GPU.

The case, well its a case, so its really a matter of choices. I took the P180(or P182) because I personally like the looks of it and its somewhat quiet. But as I said earlier, he would have to do a more in depth price search(my market is canadian so I am not all that aware of where to get the best price in the US, aside from Newegg). But of course, when it comes to case, well he should choose one that he will like very much.
 
Kilauea said:
Yes you are right, many items can be changed.

For the prices, well I did not do any search regarding those, I basicly searched on Newegg and gave links to products, but if there are better prices elsewhere, that's even better. For the HDD tho, I went with SATA and 16mb cache, so that explains the 5$ difference.

I went with the P5K because I still want him to have the possibility to upgrade to 4gb if he needs. But you are right about the 45nm processors, but I do not know much about that, so I'll leave that to you or someone else.

For the GPU, I went with BFG for no big reasons, if the Foxconn is better then he should go for it.

For the PSU, I went with some that I knew were very highly regarded and that I knew would be sufficient to power a single GPU.

The case, well its a case, so its really a matter of choices. I took the P180(or P182) because I personally like the looks of it and its somewhat quiet. But as I said earlier, he would have to do a more in depth price search(my market is canadian so I am not all that aware of where to get the best price in the US, aside from Newegg). But of course, when it comes to case, well he should choose one that he will like very much.
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Ah. HDD. My bad. I didn't notice the 8MB/16MB differences. I thought they were the same :( I'd stick with your choice then

And the P31-DS3L has the possibility to upgrade to 4GB too.... And the P35-DS3L can support 8GB, while still cheaper than the motherboard you selected...

No. I just chose the GFX because of the savings. Personally I would go with EVGA due to their EXTREMELY trustful and nice support. And they have an GREAT warranty.

But if you could get more wattage, more amps, for less money... :rolleyes:

Agreed. I would let the thread starter choose between the case himself.
 
oscaryu1 said:
Ah. HDD. My bad. I didn't notice the 8MB/16MB differences. I thought they were the same :( I'd stick with your choice then

And the P31-DS3L has the possibility to upgrade to 4GB too.... And the P35-DS3L can support 8GB, while still cheaper than the motherboard you selected...

No. I just chose the GFX because of the savings. Personally I would go with EVGA due to their EXTREMELY trustful and nice support. And they have an GREAT warranty.

But if you could get more wattage, more amps, for less money... :rolleyes:

Agreed. I would let the thread starter choose between the case himself.
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Reading some reviews from web, comment P31-DS3L struggle to overclock a lot. Don't know if Gigabyte update BIOS. Anyway, stick with P35.
And if it is intended to get 4 GB RAM, don't forget to get 64bit OS
 
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