How do I figure out which is the best?
dhaynes:
I'm studying the Aptana website, Thanks, but, How can you not have the time for the easier and faster non coding side of web making programs? What you say just doesn't make sense to me. It still seems much faster and easier to just point and click what color, pic, etc you want rather than having to type a hundred letters to do the same.
But thanks for all the links, Please do not erase them, I'm studying them all slowly but surely. You say HTML is really easy to learn, but I could say the same thing about learning german, is it necessary?, not in my opinion- Even the germans dont speak german anymore. I dont want you or anybody to just say "fine, then do whatever you want to do, dont learn anything" I like learning, but only if it has a purpose. I dont know anything about computers, let alone all these coding languages. Everything takes time and lots of energy.
The same way that you know the language of HTML or whatever, I imagine that someone would have had to create the software in order for you or I to use the coding language?; In order for you or I to write, , ,
<html>
<head>
<title>Title of page</title>
</head>
<body>
This is my first homepage. <b>This text is bold</b>
</body>
</html>
,,, just so you or I could display "This is my first homepage. This text is bold"
seems like more work and writing has to be done to get the same resulting statements using coding compared to just using a "WYSIWYG"? non coding program, so needlees to say, I still can't understand why there is so much support to recommend using the coding languages to make websites, except for what "red onion" says which is "Unless you know HTML you will never know. You won't know why your page displays well in IE but not in Safari." Never heard of safari, but if a lot of people use it, I don't want safari users to Not be able to access my website. That is a good reason, which motivates me to learn the languages, but I would still like to know more reasons,if possible, but hopefully after studying your links more, I will know why that is so, if no one can give me more precise reasons why learning all these coding languages is valuable, let alone better than not using them.
I just find it hard to believe that Dreamweaver or Microsoft Frontpage would make a website creation program that is incompatable with "safari"? I know that "red onion" said that none of these coding languages can be used for satellite communications, but when I see a lot of the "bin"? communication code breaking software used for sat TV deencrypting and pretty much most of the inner computer files, it kind of looks a lot like these HTML, etal. coding languages to me; It all looks Greek to me.
I'm very conflicted. On the one hand it seems like it would take me months, if not years to learn all these languages and just as long if not longer to implement the codes(despite dhaynes vote of confidence to learn in 15 minutes), I seem to only be getting one good reason, from red onion about, why it is valuable to learn the codes- for safari- and even then, again, I find it difficult to believe that Dreamweaver or Frontpage, would neglect that? If you can, please give me some more reasons why learning all these codes will be useful, purposeful and valuable, if not better.
To red onion:
When you say "You can even get websites-in-a-box like PHPNuke." Thats what this thread has turned into, trying to find out what is the point of learning all these coding languages. Its not just HTML, but CSS, Javascript XML and many,many, many more codes/languages.
I wish you could understand my point of view, that I need good reasons why learning all these codes are worthwhile. The point you make about "safari" not working is a very good reason and motivator for me to learn and use all these different coding languages, but again, I find it very difficult to understand why Dreamweaver or Frontpage would have neglected this issue?
If I told you, just learn Spanish, French, German, Dutch etc. just for the purpose of learning, I dont think it would have much value, because everybody speaks English and I think that foreign languages will be used less and less as time goes on. I kind of suspect that, that may be the case with all these coding languages.
Again, the only thing that keeps me going is when you say "You won't know why your page displays well in IE but not in Safari." Something like that is very important. I don't know how that may be true, but saying that, is at least a reason that motivates me to learn these coding languages, not just for the sake of learning, as a reward. I'm not a "rainman" and I don't think its in my benefit to learn all the postal codes of every town in America, just for the sake of "knowledge" or even filling up my time. With all the recommendations of where to learn and which programs to use, Im just getting more confused. I can't make up mind, which to use.
"Knowing how things work and how to use them better" is the essence of the answer(s) I'm looking for. I just wish that I could have more reasons so I can understand why learning all these coding languages is "better" than not knowing them, like you say for making my forum, and why exactly?, although forum builders like "ïnvision" seem to make pretty good forums without the owners knowing any coding. Bottom line, as long as I have some good reasons that learning all these codes is going to be useful and better, then I have a good motivation for it. Please don't say "just do whatever you want, its only "our" opinion." I just want to make the best website possible. I don't want to get stuck in the middle, after spending all my time learning one program, and then I find out only the other program can do that.
When I started this thread,(Making a website) I was thinking more along the lines of either Dreamweaver or perhaps Frontpage or whatever other relatively novice computer user friendly "Web" making programs are out there, but everyone here seems to really support learning the coding languages, which I would love to know and learn even if only for the "safari" reason, but hopefully there are more reasons?, which I hope someone can give. I really don't want any passive/aggressive person to just say "fine do whatever you want to do, its only "our" opinion. We're just trying to help and all you do is *uc* everything up". If you wanted to move to Holland, and you asked me, should I try to learn Dutch, I would say, no way, they speak better English than I do. Now France would be another story, They are A**holes, (no offence benji) In France you would have to learn their language, and I could give you all the political, historical, past, present and future reasons why.
But computers and coding languages I know nothing about, so meanwhile I'm pushing my eyes to stay open trying to learn all the links of these coding languages, hopefully I will be able to figure out why learning all these coding languages is better than just using the click and copy version of Dreamweaver or NVu or whatever other program.
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