More RAM??

PC eye said:
They expect to see better gaming performance but see the oppposite since games are native to 32bit resulting in lower frame rates which they are after plus 2gb will suffice most unless running CAD or large programs that love memory.
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and then all those people that only have 2gb of ram end up complaining and moaning when there gaming sucks on vista

there are no fps problems with vista. if you get an extra gig or two of ram to compensate for the fact vista will use 512mb minimum ram, then your FPS will be fine. xp only used 64mb, vista uses 512mb minimum. if you go directly from xp to vista on a pc with only 2gb of ram, then of course your FPS will drop, you just lost half a gig of ram, possibly more.

theres too many people (like you) who seem to think that vista will only use the same amount of ram as xp and thus expect your pc to perform the same. its that basic 'no need for more then 2gb of ram' attitude that makes people toss a high end game (like crysis) on a pc with vista and only 2gb of ram and see you can't run it at maximum settings, and then cry, moan, and complain all over gaming forums bashing the game or vista for no reason at all.

2gb may not have had a use 8 years ago back in p3 era. but with games like hellgate and crysis and many more very graphical games right around the corner, there IS a need for more then 2gb.
 
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zaroba said:
theres too many people (like you) who seem to think that vista will only use the same amount of ram as xp and thus expect your pc to perform the same. its that basic 'no need for more then 2gb of ram' attitude that makes people toss a high end game (like crysis) on a pc with vista and only 2gb of ram and see you can't run it at maximum settings, and then cry, moan, and complain all over gaming forums bashing the game or vista for no reason at all.
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If you are only going to read only a portion of the comparison I made about the differences seen in the 32bit and 64bit editions of Vista not between XP and Vista there I'll add this. Vista sees the Super Preftech feature already active while XP only saw that being available after SP2. Then you manually had to edit the system registry to enable it.

What that does is "preload" the most often used programs to see faster loading times. Each new version of Windows uses more ram by default due to newer features then seen as well as being more ram capable then previous versions due to what is commonly seen on prebuilt systems. In 1999 you didn't see over 512mb max except on server boards in most cases with HP, Dell, Packard Bell, Epson, and others coming with what? 128mb if not 64mb installed. An IBM 386 was good to go with only 4-8mb of memory with a max of 16mb in those days.
 
correct.
sorry, pc eye seems to often go off topic talking about other stuff hardly relating to the topic (no offense intended, and sorry if the last post seemed rude), and i love debating stuff.


anyway, yes, having 2gb will show a drastic improvement over 1gb of ram for pretty much everything.

as for the price drop, that happens with everything (excluding gas and taxes :P), not just pc hardware. its somewhat part economical, and somewhat due to newer stuff coming out. when DDR2 first came out, nobody had it. they could charge a lot for it since the customer base was huge (pretty much anybody who wanted a PC), and people were willing to pay for it. but as time went by, more people got it and sales dropped. so the price had to as well to encourage people who didn't want it yet to get it.

theres also the fact that now DDR3 is out, so those that don't have a lot of DDR2, or are still using old DDR might not buy any DDR2 and instead might just get/build a new pc with DDR3. this also means less sales of DDR2. so they have to lower the price to make it seem worthwhile to buy DDR2 to some people instead of going right to DDR3.

this can be a good thing for people too. as newer stuff comes out (usually always around the same price), the older stuff will drop in price. even though its older, hardware is much more advanced then the software that uses it. you can build a PC with last years cheap hardware and it'll be good for playing games on for another year or two. If you always build a pc with the latest hardware, it will be very expensive. if you use year old stuff, it can easily cost half as much.


heck...i payed over $300 for my 4gb (2x 2gb) back in june, its now only $125.
 
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phatasian

i think u should add 2 gb ram if u really need it u can also download it for free its a program that i have i forget wats it called because its on my old computer, but u can prob find it off google look up ram download
 
Lol, RAM Download? That's odd, it was probably some sort of optimizer. Buying 2GB Ram is way better then any software, it just makes it faster PERIOD.
 
zaroba said:
correct.
sorry, pc eye seems to often go off topic talking about other stuff hardly relating to the topic (no offense intended, and sorry if the last post seemed rude), and i love debating stuff.


anyway, yes, having 2gb will show a drastic improvement over 1gb of ram for pretty much everything.

as for the price drop, that happens with everything (excluding gas and taxes :P), not just pc hardware. its somewhat part economical, and somewhat due to newer stuff coming out. when DDR2 first came out, nobody had it. they could charge a lot for it since the customer base was huge (pretty much anybody who wanted a PC), and people were willing to pay for it. but as time went by, more people got it and sales dropped. so the price had to as well to encourage people who didn't want it yet to get it.

theres also the fact that now DDR3 is out, so those that don't have a lot of DDR2, or are still using old DDR might not buy any DDR2 and instead might just get/build a new pc with DDR3. this also means less sales of DDR2. so they have to lower the price to make it seem worthwhile to buy DDR2 to some people instead of going right to DDR3.

this can be a good thing for people too. as newer stuff comes out (usually always around the same price), the older stuff will drop in price. even though its older, hardware is much more advanced then the software that uses it. you can build a PC with last years cheap hardware and it'll be good for playing games on for another year or two. If you always build a pc with the latest hardware, it will be very expensive. if you use year old stuff, it can easily cost half as much.


heck...i payed over $300 for my 4gb (2x 2gb) back in june, its now only $125.
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That happens a lot on a forum. But that's what forums are for. :D

The move there from 1gb to 2gb will satisfy the need if Vista is tried out at some point or the next verion of Windows due in 2010. The immediate effect of course will be seen in XP since any new version takes into account the typical systems at the time.

With the fast turnovers seen in hardwares the OSs and softwares are kind of left behind very quickly. With Microsoft planning to dump 32bit versions after the next one is out coftware companies now have to finally focus on new 64bit games and apps as well as the driver support for hardwares.

When looking at 4gb here the $329.99 seen in August is now $213.99 for the Kingston Hyper X DDR2 800 memory seen at http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820104001

The bolume of business changes at this time of year explaining the large price for those doing their gift shopping. You can probably expect those low prices seen for the moment climb a little in Q1 of 2008. The summer months are vacation time for most shoppers there.
 
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