Need Feedback On Self Build Vs. Special Build

Why do you say that? So it is SLI, but with a $3000 budget, why not get it? ANd isn't a gaming PC just generally a high-end computer?
 
Bobo said:
Why do you say that? So it is SLI, but with a $3000 budget, why not get it? ANd isn't a gaming PC just generally a high-end computer?
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There no need for a 7900GT or a lanparty board. I just think that he should be buying a more workstation oriented rig for his needs and budget.
 
34erd said:
There no need for a 7900GT or a lanparty board. I just think that he should be buying a more workstation oriented rig for his needs and budget.
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I only picked the lanparty because it is a very good SLI board, nothing to do with LAN parties...

If you have a suggestion, then please give it. This is what I built, not definite at all. Please give your opinion. :)
 
I only picked the lanparty because it is a very good SLI board, nothing to do with LAN parties...
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I know that lol, I've got one, but its a tweakers and a gamers board, not a workstation board. If he's spending $3000 he might as well go with a rig similar to your first sugestion, but that might be overkill. Or he could save some money by cutting back on some stuff, I'd ditch the DFI board, the 7900GT, replace Windows MCE with Xp-pro or 64 or some other OS, and replace the 10,000 RPM drive with a bigger RAID array.

Thats just my opinion though, I dont really know much about workstations...
 
34erd said:
replace Windows MCE with Xp-pro or 64 or some other OS,
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MCE is what he really needs (IMO) for video editing and that stuff.
and replace the 10,000 RPM drive with a bigger RAID array.
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He has 2 500GB hard drives, but he said that he didn't want RAID.

I was just building a good strong computer, regardless of gaming or not.
 
Whats the Raid option vs. the 10,000 rpm drive plus 2 x 500 gig hd?

What will be better for data streaming for what ill be doing?

First of All I know I need at least 500 gig save space
But, Also I'm going to be streaming samples, using software samplers, and plug ins for audio and video editing.

So I was thinking a Raid system would help that be more efficient, yet when I looked at the Raid explaination in the other forum, it said the performance ratios are pretty indistinguishable between a Raid and 10,000 rpm drive so I would want to go cost effective instead of go for small tiny bits of performance that I wont notice anyway.

The video card im pretty confused about cause I'm not going to be doing gaming, really I just need something that will get clear digital video so I can clean up vhs home movies, and input digital video footage. What is the extra power in video cards do besides add another monitor?

Also If I need just backup for storage I can probably buy an external drive and just throw everything extra on that and focus on smoothness in the drive operation and power instead of just chunks of space.

Windows MCE,PRO,64 tell me what is best about each considering what ill be doing.

I think we are settled on the cpu and ram, I know 34rd is an intel fan but I really feel the AMD for what I've heard about the 4800+ and the price vs the much pricier intel you offered up that might be better in some ways but 4800+ seems to be the best option.

Are you guys really 12 and 14 years old? Not that I won't take your advice very seriously

Also look at the specs on the 1820m the emu sound device maybe we could look at the specific items I would be purchasing to use and then line up the specs according to that?
 
Jesusgetstheglory777333 said:
Whats the Raid option vs. the 10,000 rpm drive plus 2 x 500 gig hd?

What will be better for data streaming for what ill be doing?

First of All I know I need at least 500 gig save space
But, Also I'm going to be streaming samples, using software samplers, and plug ins for audio and video editing.

So I was thinking a Raid system would help that be more efficient, yet when I looked at the Raid explaination in the other forum, it said the performance ratios are pretty indistinguishable between a Raid and 10,000 rpm drive so I would want to go cost effective instead of go for small tiny bits of performance that I wont notice anyway.

The video card im pretty confused about cause I'm not going to be doing gaming, really I just need something that will get clear digital video so I can clean up vhs home movies, and input digital video footage. What is the extra power in video cards do besides add another monitor?

Also If I need just backup for storage I can probably buy an external drive and just throw everything extra on that and focus on smoothness in the drive operation and power instead of just chunks of space.

Windows MCE,PRO,64 tell me what is best about each considering what ill be doing.

I think we are settled on the cpu and ram, I know 34rd is an intel fan but I really feel the AMD for what I've heard about the 4800+ and the price vs the much pricier intel you offered up that might be better in some ways but 4800+ seems to be the best option.

Are you guys really 12 and 14 years old? Not that I won't take your advice very seriously

Also look at the specs on the 1820m the emu sound device maybe we could look at the specific items I would be purchasing to use and then line up the specs according to that?
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It doesn't matter HDD wise, whatever is cheaper.

You won't need an extreme video card, but I'd get one with at least 256mb, dvd and sampling use alot of memory.

I'd go with Windows MCE...it'd be best for you.

The 4800+ is a good choice, Intel is better at heavy loads like video, but the 4800+ is strong enough to take about anything...

You can trust us.....we're young, but we know what we're talking about.
 
I think we are settled on the cpu and ram, I know 34rd is an intel fan but I really feel the AMD for what I've heard about the 4800+ and the price vs the much pricier intel you offered up that might be better in some ways but 4800+ seems to be the best option.
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When did I say I was an Intel fan? The rig Bobo sugested before was also an AMD rig, it was just opteron based instead of athlon 64.
 
sli 7900gt for video editing?? I would ditch that and get a dual opteron config, much more suited for video editing.
 
34erd said:
The rig Bobo sugested before was also an AMD rig, it was just opteron based instead of athlon 64.
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And just so you know, that PC was total overkill...;)

Yes, I am 14 (and a half) years old.

As to the video card, you don't run multiple monitors, but the work for the video card is split up, so each card is only doing half of the work.

For RAID, it does not cost anything extra. I would suggest setting your hard drives up in RAID 0, which splits up the data into chunks for each hard drive to handle. It is highly recommended for video/audio editing, because of the large files involved. You do not buy anything more, this is done through the motherboard.

Since you really don't need SLI, here is a new mobo/video card:
Asus A8N-E
or
DFI

with
7600GT
or, if you want the best,
7900GTX

It is really your choice. If you want your computer to run the highest stuff for several years, then you need to invest wisely. Of course, you can upgrade later.


edit: as to the dual optys, he said that he wanted an X2 4800, which is perfectly fine, and will run very well
 
ok first of all sorry about saying your were an intel fan, it was the "computer maineak" guy and you had the intel comment by your name i got you confused cause so many people are replying so fast sorry about that

I'm sure opteron would be more powerful for video but really I dont think I will need the space, could I upgrade the cpu from a 4800 to an opteron later without changing the mobo and ram etc?

Ok so buying the huge 500 gig chunk drives vs. like 2 x 250 gig raid 1 wont make much of a difference?

does ddr2 ram increase performance very significantly?

so I'm also understanding that the streaming of the video onto the monitor and editing is highly effected by the video card setup? Compared to the cpu price even the high grade video cards dont seem to jack up my price too much so I probably will go with the best.

LiuLiuboy when you say ditch the high grade video card and go back to changing to a higher grade cpu what exactly are you suggesting for an entire
setup?

I mean really at the beginning I probably wont be pushing the specs of the system whatsoever because I will be learning how to learn how to connect the equipment I'm using and just basically do maybe 10 track audio with simple beats and some guitar and bass and keyboard over it with vocals and some effects and layering. The DAW software I will be getting sonar 5 doesn't require a 5th of the power that I'm getting with the 4800+ so i know the audio will come together nicely, I just assumed video editing would be a lot more hardware intensive and I would need to set up things to keep it running smoothly. Things are so powerful and cheap these days though I'm sure no matter what I get it will work out fine.

Also, MACS kind of confuse me because when I look at the site they seem to be so much more expensive and like the RAM is 500 megs for like a 3,000 dollar computer, is the Apple RAM somehow more efficient?
What makes MACS better for audio and video? It seems to me I could get such an increased amount of power with the cost difference that there wouldnt be anything great about the performance on a Mac. Maybe the programs are set up more user friendly but I really like to dig into tweaking and I'm not uncomfortable learning wierd PC software systems
Gosh this is going to go on forever lol
 
Jesusgetstheglory777333 said:
I'm sure opteron would be more powerful for video but really I dont think I will need the space, could I upgrade the cpu from a 4800 to an opteron later without changing the mobo and ram etc?
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You can upgrade, but there are different types of Opterons, and most likely you would have to upgrade motherboard and CPU.

Ok so buying the huge 500 gig chunk drives vs. like 2 x 250 gig raid 1 wont make much of a difference?
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Well with 2 500GB drives in RAID 0, you have 1TB of space. With 2 250GB drives in RAID 1, you have 250GB of space.

does ddr2 ram increase performance very significantly?
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Not much, but it doesn't matter anyway.

so I'm also understanding that the streaming of the video onto the monitor and editing is highly effected by the video card setup? Compared to the cpu price even the high grade video cards dont seem to jack up my price too much so I probably will go with the best.
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If you are buying an X2 4800, you need a very good video card just to keep the system balanced

I mean really at the beginning I probably wont be pushing the specs of the system whatsoever because I will be learning how to learn how to connect the equipment I'm using and just basically do maybe 10 track audio with simple beats and some guitar and bass and keyboard over it with vocals and some effects and layering. The DAW software I will be getting sonar 5 doesn't require a 5th of the power that I'm getting with the 4800+ so i know the audio will come together nicely, I just assumed video editing would be a lot more hardware intensive and I would need to set up things to keep it running smoothly. Things are so powerful and cheap these days though I'm sure no matter what I get it will work out fine.
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But you also want this computer to last for a while.

Also, MACS kind of confuse me because when I look at the site they seem to be so much more expensive and like the RAM is 500 megs for like a 3,000 dollar computer, is the Apple RAM somehow more efficient?
What makes MACS better for audio and video? It seems to me I could get such an increased amount of power with the cost difference that there wouldnt be anything great about the performance on a Mac. Maybe the programs are set up more user friendly but I really like to dig into tweaking and I'm not uncomfortable learning wierd PC software systems
Gosh this is going to go on forever lol
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Macs use the same processors, RAM, and motherboards that regular PCs do, and you can even run XP on them now. I don't know why Macs are better. I would not buy a Mac, if I were you.

Geez, this thread is getting long.

The Athlon X2 4800 setup that I built for you will run everything just fine. You would probably want the single 7900GTX instead of the SLI cards, but that doesn't really matter.
 
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Re: Self Build Advice

I put up a thread about computer specs awhile back and have something specific now:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819103562
Athlon 64 X2 3800 CPU
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813131524R
Asus A8N-SLI ATX AMDMOBO
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820145575
Corsair XMS 2GB RAM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16817128002
HIPER HPU-4K580-MS ATX12V 580W Power Supply 100
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16811133154
Thermalake Case
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16822148131
Seagate 300 GB for saving Videos, Music, Extra Files
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16822144160
74 GB Raptor for Programs
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814241004
GECUBE RX1600PRO-256M PCIE Radeon X1600PRO video card


Ok that is the Basic Setup Now I need a few Q's on this
1. Does the MOBO and everything fit together and is totally compatible? Any better suggestions? Anything cheaper higher quality?

Now secondly these are the extras I will be fitting together

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16827101642
2 Lightscribe Burners
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16815116620
Hauppauge WinTV-PVR-150 MCE PCI Interface 1042 Tuner Card
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16832102357
Windows Media Center OS
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16815124002
2 USB 2 Firewire
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16824179025
Monitor
http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/1820M/
Soundcard
http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/Guru/
GURU Virtual Sampler Beat Box
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16832317008
Sony Vegas 6 Movie Maker
http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/UF6/
UF6 USB Keyboard
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16830179027
Sony Digital HandyCam

I'll be Building this thing and What i want is the TV Tuner, Soundcard, and firewire/usb, 2 dvd drives in the front.

Second sound card chip in back

I would like to make sure that all of this is compatible and with the case and the MOBO I can fit the tv tuner, soundcard, and fw/usb in the front of the computer for easy access.

With Windows Media is there any specific things I need to do to tweak the Bios? I haven't built a computer before and want to know any installation deals I will need to do in the Bios, and also if you find any better suggestions for parts or compatibility issues thanks a lot :D
 
Jesusgetstheglory777333 said:
1. Does the MOBO and everything fit together and is totally compatible?
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No. You cannot have an ATI video card with an SLI motherboard
Any better suggestions?
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Get an Nvidia card.



I would like to make sure that all of this is compatible and with the case and the MOBO I can fit the tv tuner, soundcard, and fw/usb in the front of the computer for easy access.
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How are you planning to put the TV tuner in the front? It is PCI, which means it goes in the back.

With Windows Media is there any specific things I need to do to tweak the Bios? I haven't built a computer before and want to know any installation deals I will need to do in the Bios, and also if you find any better suggestions for parts or compatibility issues thanks a lot :D
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Nope, MCE isn't any different than any other OSes
 
How are you planning to put the TV tuner in the front? It is PCI, which means it goes in the back.
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What is a TV Tuner that will fit in the front and what does it need to be to fit? What makes the soundcard and firewire usb fit?

name the types of fitting thingies on the front and whats on the back and if there is a possible front option thanks
 
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