Need help with gaming builds

ak47kgb

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Hello everyone. I'm looking to build a gaming PC. I haven't done any computer building on my own before, so I'm going to need your help.

I would like to create 3 different builds. One for about $500-$600. The 2nd one for about $1000, and the third one for $1500. I just want to keep my options open.

I found this website:

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/diy-gaming-pc,2970.html

which has 3 different ones (albeit the 3rd one at 2000, which I think is way over the top for me in terms of budget).

I'm also going to look for parts on my own, I hope you guys can help out a bit since you know more about this than I do.
 
I'm subscribed to Newegg's email list, and it seems like they're having a pretty good end of month sale.

Also, I don't think I would need a monitor. I will be hooking it up to my plasma.
 
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I will assume this is for hardware only, so have excluded Windows. If you need Windows included, add $100 onto each build

$500-600

CPU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103808

Mobo: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128521

Memory: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820211409

HDD: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822152185

Video Card: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814500202

PSU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139027

Optical Drive: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827136216

Case: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119215

After rebates and shipping, it comes out at just under $600


$1000

CPU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115072

Motherboard: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128494

Memory: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231308

Hard Drive: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822152185

Video Card: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102949

PSU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817151096

Case: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119215

DVD Drive: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827136216

CPU Cooler: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835233029

Thermal Paste: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835100007

Total after MIR: $983

$1500

CPU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115072

Motherboard: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128494

Memory: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231308

SSD: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820167047

Hard Drive: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822152185

Video Card: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130621

PSU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817151096

Case: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119160

DVD Drive: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827136216

Thermal Paste: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835100007

CPU cooler: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835103089

Total $1299

There are certain extras you can put in there, but spending any more won't affect performance. If you really wanted it to come to $1500, I would keep the $1299 build, and improve on the quality of sound you are getting:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16829132006

Brings the total to $1349

You could also upgrade the CPU to an i7

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115070

To bring the total to $1444

however that is pointless in my opinion, the i5 already has more than enough power, and the price to go up isn't justified given what little gain you would get.

The only other thing I would consider changing is the case

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811139001

brings the total to $1470, however again, not necessary
 
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or he could go for a 750-800 watt psu and save later upgrade to 2 gtx 570's.

Pointless. when he has the money to upgrade, he would be better off selling his 570 and upgrading to the then latest and greatest. It will still play everything on full settings, but without the heat and power draw, and overall will be much cheaper
 
the frequency of those is higher, but the timing is lower, but either way i doubt you'll notice, so i'd go with the special on those you linked, but astii probably will give a reason and be correct for choosing those, but id go with one of these over either of those for the 2 more expensive if not the cheapy too, or get some of the othres but after this they get rediculously expensive.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...31-416^20-231-416-TS,20-231-461^20-231-461-TS
 
No, there is no reason for the ones I picked, was being slow last night and didn't notice the frequency. The ones ak47kgb linked are the best choice. They will give the same performance as the 3 listed, however come out cheaper
 
Why this one instead of a faster one?

Meant to post Elm Crest

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820167042

Could alternatively go for a Vertex 3 too

How exactly does an SSD help with performance?

Your OS, games and regularly used programs go on there, with all other programs, music, films, files etc going on the hard drive.

The SSD is substantially faster than a conventional hard drive, meaning you will see much, much faster boot times and load times.

You wouldn't, however, put programs like your web browser on there, because although they will load quicker, it won't be a substantial enough difference in speed to justify the used space and used write/erase cycles
 
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What about the upgradability of these builds? The mobo for the $500 one supports USB 3.0 and SATA 6.0Gb/s which is nice..

And what exactly does 2 GFX cards (as opposed to 1) do? I've seen builds that have 2 graphics cards..

Also the $500 build doesn't have a case..
 
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What about the upgradability of these builds? The mobo for the $500 one supports USB 3.0 and SATA 6.0Gb/s which is nice..

And what exactly does 2 GFX cards (as opposed to 1) do? I've seen builds that have 2 graphics cards..

Also the $500 build doesn't have a case..

the 500-600, you are able to upgrade to bulldozer when it is released, you will be able to upgrade to more memory, and faster memory, and you will be able to put in a second video card if you wish. There is also room for an after-market CPU cooler, more hard drives for storage, or later on an SSD.

It is the same for the others, only you will be able to upgrade to an i7, and the revised versions of the Sandy Bridge CPU's when they come out, which will probably be next year. The i5 will hold you over for a hell of a long time though.

Multiple graphics cards can work in one of 3 ways:

Firstly, where they work separately, which is purely for extra displays. Most users won't need this, because it is only if you are going to have a lot of displays. Bare in mind most will support at least 4 monitors.

Second, where they work together to act as a single card. This will lead to more powerful graphical processing. It doesn't work out 100% gain over a single card, because a part of the performance is lost, but it isn't far off 100% for the latest series of graphics cards. You can't use any old graphics cards though, they must be the same chip. They can be from different manufacturers, have different amounts of memory or be clocked differently, but they must have the same chip. You can tell whether or not they will work by the first 2 numbers:

for example, a 6950 and a 6970 will Crossfire together

2 GTX 560's will go in Crossfire together, as will a GTX 560 and a GTX 560Ti

Thirdly, is if you have a dedicated Physx card. Physx is a technology which Nvidia own and is utilised by some games to add more realistic effects, such as fluid water and clothes, more realistic explosions and debris and more realistic smoke, sparks and other effects. As this is Nvidia only, you would get a dedicated Physx card if your primary card is AMD, or to take load off the primary card. As it is only processing Physx, you would be able to have, for instance, a GTX 570 + GTS450. The 450, even though not the best gaming card, would be there just for Physx. the 570 would take all of the shading, textures, tessellation etc processing, and the 450 wouldn't work with the 570, but it would do some of the physics processing if the game supported Physx

For the case, it was the CM 690II for both the 500-600 and the 1000
 
Having the dedicated Physx card sounds awesome...is there any way I can fit that into the 3rd build? Or will the price skyrocket?

Oh, and what is SLI?

Sorry if I'm asking way too many questions :P



edit: I found another case that is cheaper, almost half the price, but with pretty good reviews

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...-_-na-_-na-_-na&AID=10440897&PID=3067296&SID=

What exactly does the 70 dollar one offer that this one doesn't?
 
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Bare in mind with Physx, if you aren't going to be playing games that use it, it will just sit there doing nothing

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PhysX

that page has a list of games with Physx.

If you plan on playing such games, then no, you don't need to pay a lot, as I said, it doesn't need to be a powerful card, only a more low-mid range one. You will, however, need a more powerful PSU than was in the build, because of the extra power draw from having a second video card

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130625

+

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817371049

or

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139021

SLI is Nvidia's version of running multiple graphics card in the second way I mentioned - where the cards work together. If you are running 2 Nvidia cards together, they are in SLI. AMD's version of this is called Crossfire. To explain with example:

2 x GTX 580's = SLI
2 x Radeon HD6970 = Crossfire

So far as the case, the CoolerMaster has much better build quality, is larger, has better cable management and has better cooling.

And there is no need to apologise for asking questions, if I was in your position where I was trying to do something where I have little experience, especially when it involves spending substantial amounts of money, I would go and ask someone who had a greater knowledge in the area. It is what we are here for, and what most people stay here for, to either offer advise and discussion, or to ask for help from those that offer it
 
Yes, you can't have dual cards, one AMD, one nvidia.

And they have to be the same series. 2x AMD 5xxx, 2x AMD 6xxx, 2x Nvidia 5xx.

Wait, just saw that Aastii explained that above. Oh well.
 
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actually tou can have one of both and then somehow maki it so that the nvidia card does purely physx and the nvidia does all the processing or something like that, but it's pointless since i think the majority of games use the cpu for physx rendering a physx card useless.
 
So NVIDIA + AMD won't really work out as opposed to 2x NVIDIA or 2x AMD?

If you mean working together, no. The only reason to have both would be to have an AMD card as the main one, and then an Nvidia as Physx. You can't use, for instance, a 6950 and a GTX 570 together like in SLI or CrossFire
 
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