Need some computer build help (advice)

[cbr900son]

Ok so its time to upgrade and I need soem help. I currently have
motherboard - intel d850emv2
cpu - p4 2.4ghz with 533 fsb
ram - .5 gig rambus non-ecc 800 mhz
Power- a 450 power supply
video - radeon 9800 pro
sound - soundblaster 16 pci


What I want to do is upgrade my mother board and chipset to a p4 3.0 ghz with 800mhz fsb but Ive been out of the computer loop for awhile and not 100% sure what to order or whats compatible. So if anyone could help I would appreciate any suggestions. Also whats the diff on ram between non ecc and ecc. I know ones corrected and ones not but really dont know what that means or if it is really any good. Also Someone was telling me that rambus isnt as good as ddr2 memory. If i need to ill scrap the rambus and change the memory if it isnt compatible.

 

[Imaruki]

Ok, Rambus is expensive. AMD has the fastest FSB @ 2000MHz, and the processor that goes with that is the AMD 64 3500+ and the AMD 64 3800+. I would go with at least 1GB of RAM. Pretty much any AMD 64 is way faster than any P4 out right now.

 

[jcline]

Pretty much any AMD 64 is way faster than any P4 out right now

Not sure if I would completely agree with this statement...
http://www6.tomshardware.com/cpu/20040601/socket_939-16.html


But I would agree that AMD socket 939 would be the way to go based on the price factor compared to Intels new socket 775.

What are you going to primarily be doing with your new upgraded PC? This will really determine whether you should go AMD or Intel.

 

[samuelhii_mei]

you can try to get a kingston' ram about hyperx unbuffered 512MB x 2
how much is your budget or your can get a asus P5AD2 -E Premium 9 (Intel 925EX chipset) its socket is for P4!
it depends on your choice of processor (amd or P4)
abit NF8 can be a choice for amd!

 

[Imaruki]

Not sure if I would completely agree with this statement...
http://www6.tomshardware.com/cpu/20040601/socket_939-16.html


But I would agree that AMD socket 939 would be the way to go based on the price factor compared to Intels new socket 775.

What are you going to primarily be doing with your new upgraded PC? This will really determine whether you should go AMD or Intel.

Wow, nice comparison, but are any of those AMDs running on a 2000MHz FSB MOBO?

 

[jcline]

are any of those AMDs running on a 2000MHz FSB MOBO?

Yup, ASUS has the A8V mobo for socket 939 and the board has 4 mem slots with dual channell architecture.

You can get an AMD Athlon 64 3500+ for less than $300, and the board for less than $150.

 

[Imaruki]

Yup, ASUS has the A8V mobo for socket 939 and the board has 4 mem slots with dual channell architecture.

You can get an AMD Athlon 64 3500+ for less than $300, and the board for less than $150.

I buy my parts form http://newegg.com and I've never seen them that low before...so where'd you find a 3500+ that low at?

 

[jcline]

http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=19-103-463&depa=0

 

[Praetor]

Also whats the diff on ram between non ecc and ecc. I know ones corrected and ones not but really dont know what that means or if it is really any good.

For the most part, non-ECC is the one youll be getting because (a) its faster and (b) its more common and (c) its cheaper

Also Someone was telling me that rambus isnt as good as ddr2 memory. If I need to ill scrap the rambus and change the memory if it isnt compatible

You wont have much of a choice. Rambus is all but nonavailable

AMD has the fastest FSB @ 2000MHz

It's not a BUS. Period. Its a hypertransport.

and the processor that goes with that is the AMD 64 3500+ and the AMD 64 3800+.

Dont forget the 3000+, 3200+, 3400+, 4000+, FX53 and FX55

Pretty much any AMD 64 is way faster than any P4 out right now.

Whoa fanboyism detected. There's no way thats true -- if it was Intel's stock woulda been cut in half and AMDs up in the sky -- which isnt the case.

But I would agree that AMD socket 939 would be the way to go based on the price factor compared to Intels new socket 775.

How so? A S775 Mobo and chip will cost less than a S939 and chip

how much is your budget or your can get a asus P5AD2 -E Premium 9 (Intel 925EX chipset) its socket is for P4!

Not really worth going that high as the only chips that will make use of the "X" feature cost more than $1000 each.

abit NF8 can be a choice for amd!

Although its probably worth waiting until the NF4 hits stores

Wow, nice comparison, but are any of those AMDs running on a 2000MHz FSB MOBO?

No because they dont have FSBs.

I buy my parts form <http://newegg.com> and I've never seen them that low before...so where'd you find a 3500+ that low at?

Shop around, got my 3500 for $330 -- and thats Canadian dollars.

 

[jcline]

It's not a BUS. Period. Its a hypertransport.

Tomato...tomato.

Although slightly incorrect to say FSB Asus is marketing the A8V with "...2000 MT/s HyperTransport Bus..."
http://usa.asus.com/products/mb/socket939/a8v-d/overview.htm

So really we're all right

A S775 Mobo and chip will cost less than a S939 and chip

Which mobo and which proc?

Asus P5Ad2: $275 and P4 540 (3.2): $222 = ~$500
Asus A8V: $150 and 3500+: $290 = ~$440

So, make sure we're comparing apples to apples here, relatively speaking

No because they dont have FSBs.

Again, not entirely "no", just nomenclature...

 

[Praetor]

Tomato...tomato.

NO. Hypertransport. Bus. (note that I said Bus and not FSB).

Although slightly incorrect to say FSB Asus is marketing the A8V with "...2000 MT/s HyperTransport Bus..."

In the context of that sentence, it is actually correct. The Hypertransport acts as a "bus" (a pseudo-technical term) however it would be incorrect to say, "BUS: 2000MHz" because that would be referring to a specific technical device which we are all somewhat familiar with in previous generations of architecture and doesnt quite exist with current revisions

Which mobo and which proc?

Most with the exception of the ultra-premium boards (but thats only because the NF4 boards havnt come out for AMD yet really.... when they do, they'll easily challenge the 925X boards for the price crown).

Asus P5Ad2: $275 and P4 540 (3.2): $222 = ~$500
Asus A8V: $150 and 3500+: $290 = ~$440

Unfair comparison: you compare a flagship board (intel) to a second-class board (although it is the flagship board for that class). Comparing a 925X to a NF3-250 board would be more fair (also note my comment above about the NF4 boards).
P4E-2.80GHz (520) $200.00
P4E-3.00GHz (530) $225.00
P4E-3.20GHz (540) $250.00
P4E-3.40GHz (550) $320.00
Athlon64 3500+ (2.20GHz, Newcastle) $345.00
Athlon64 3800+ (2.40GHz, Newcastle) $805.00

MSI K8T Neo2F $140.00
ABIT AV8 $155.00
ASUS A8V Deluxe $160.00
MSI K8T Neo2-FIR $165.00
MSI K8T Neo2 Platinum $177.00

ASUS P5P800 $115.00
ABIT AS8 $135.00
MSI 915G Combo FR $137.00
ABIT AG8-V $144.00
MSI 915P Combo FR $158.00

All prices are in CAD, I was too lazy to divide. As you can see, its quite arguable that the Intel route is cheaper

Again, not entirely "no", just nomenclature...

Yes entirely 'no'. Before the term was "BUS" which was arguable. Now this is "FSB".

 

[jcline]

haha, well all I have to say is look at as many reviews and benchmarks.

I love both platforms and would definetly go 775 over 478 just based on the upgradability factor but for now my recommendation would be socket 939.

 

[Praetor]

but for now my recommendation would be socket 939.

Agreed but thats not from a financial perspective (at least for me)

 

[Super_Nova]

Rambus lived a short life because it has terrible latency

 

[Praetor]

Rambus lived a short life because it has terrible latency

And its cost/performance comparison with DDR