another thing, idk if this helps the process. i work at a computer place that recycles computers. Im the one and only man that takes all the computers apart and places each recyclable part and puts them in the appropriate bin. Sohard drives in one, motherboards etc etc etc.. Would it be worth it to take a closer look at any of the stuff that i run by and put it in my pocket? i run into 512 ram all the time and usually take those. lol.. The year for computers really vary. some from like early 90s to XP. nothing vista yet.. i have seen some homemade builds go buy.. should i take a case next time? thanks..