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bobneedshelp54

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Alright this is a big and complex situation so please bear with me here.

Equipment:

1. PIII 1GHz, 2GB, XP Home SP2
2. PII 300MHz, 256MB, Windows NT Workstation 4.0
3. Athlon 64 3400+, 512MB, XP Home SP2
4. Athlon 64 3500+, 1GB, Ubuntu 7.10 (coming soon, motherboard isn't here yet)
5. Athlon 64 X2 6000+, 4GB, XP Pro SP2
6. Pentium M 2.2GHz, 512MB, Windows XP Home SP2 (Toshiba lappy)
7. HP LaserJet 5000GN with Jetdirect Print Server
8. HP Color LaserJet 2840

Overview of connections:

Modem--> D-link DI-614 wired router
DI-614--> D-link DES-1105 5-port switch, computers 1, 2, 4
DES-1105-->Linksys WRT54GL Wireless Router, computers 3, 7, 8
WRT54GL-->computers 5, 6

All the computers (except #2) work together just fine with file/printer sharing at the moment. This is what I want to do:

1. Screw printer sharing via other computers, I want the computers to connect directly to the printers over ethernet.
a. I need to set up the 5000GN and the 2840 on the network...which I do not know how to do. Specifically, I cannot for the life of me get the 5000GN to switch from BNC connection to CAT connection. I know it's on BNC from the JetDirect config page, but I can't find an option to change it. And then how do I actually connect to the printers?
b. I know that Ubuntu 7.10 can connect to the printers by ethernet, but iirc it will not be able to scan from the 2840 because WINE does not support that model(2840), correct?
c. Can Windows NT print to a network printer? If so, how do I go about doing that?

2. Can Ubuntu and XP share files?
3. Can XP and NT share files? I tried to put that NT computer in the network a while ago...but i never figured out how.

Anybody who takes time to actually look up this stuff and point me in the right direction I thank you very much. :)
 
Modem--> D-link DI-614 wired router
DI-614--> D-link DES-1105 5-port switch, computers 1, 2, 4
DES-1105-->Linksys WRT54GL Wireless Router, computers 3, 7, 8
WRT54GL-->computers 5, 6

that doesn't work? I'm not sure what you need...do you want me to draw it out?

edit: threw this up in a few minutes:

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turn off DHCP on your WRT54GL and make it operate in gateway mode, then you can just use it as a switch and repeater for your wireless network that way you don't have to deal with multiple subnets on your network.

File sharing to NT? I haven't touched a NT box in many years, and I'd like to keep it that way.

Linux and windows can file share through samba services, every linux distro has this option to install. I recommend you look into something called webmin to make it easy to manage and set up services.

Basically to make things simpler you only want one router acting as your DHCP server. I mean if you could possibly scrap the routers and just run the WRT54GL (nice router btw, same one I have) and the switch that would be better. You can also download third party firmware for your router to make it have more advanced options. You need to turn off NAT and DHCP server on the secondary router, otherwise you router will think you are running two different sub nets, hence why you can not connect to every computer.

Then triple check to make sure you are running all the same workgroup
 
tlarkin said:
turn off DHCP on your WRT54GL and make it operate in gateway mode, then you can just use it as a switch and repeater for your wireless network that way you don't have to deal with multiple subnets on your network.
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Already doing this, it works fine.

File sharing to NT? I haven't touched a NT box in many years, and I'd like to keep it that way.
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Lol neither have I. it's my dad's work machine...he needs it for certain programs.

Linux and windows can file share through samba services, every linux distro has this option to install. I recommend you look into something called webmin to make it easy to manage and set up services.
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Alright thanks

Basically to make things simpler you only want one router acting as your DHCP server. I mean if you could possibly scrap the routers and just run the WRT54GL (nice router btw, same one I have) and the switch that would be better. You can also download third party firmware for your router to make it have more advanced options. You need to turn off NAT and DHCP server on the secondary router, otherwise you router will think you are running two different sub nets, hence why you can not connect to every computer.
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Yes I know and that's not the issue here. I stopped using the WRT54GL for the DHCP server cuz it was being funky. Yes I updated firmware, yes I did all of that. Moved it to act as a switch, threw the DI-614 in and everything works wonderfully...I don't see any reason to change it at all.

Then triple check to make sure you are running all the same workgroup
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Yup

Now how do i connect to the printers?
 
using your map as an example this is how I would share the printers.

Hook up a printer to computer 1. and share it through file and print sharing in the OS itself.

Go to the remote machine you wish to share the printer to. Add a new network printer and use this as its absolute network path

\\Computer 1\printer name

When you share the printer you will give it a share name, like HPinkjet or whatever you want to name it. Input the name there and it should technically pull the driver down from that machine.

For linux printer sharing you will use CUPS, look into gimp print (google it) for open source drivers and then follow the same instructions

Seems you already got the DHCP server thing settled and figured out, good to know. I was talking about third party firmware like DD-WRT to be exact

That should work fine, unless you are setting up a print server which can be a bit trickier
 
tlarkin said:
using your map as an example this is how I would share the printers.

Hook up a printer to computer 1. and share it through file and print sharing in the OS itself.

Go to the remote machine you wish to share the printer to. Add a new network printer and use this as its absolute network path

\\Computer 1\printer name

When you share the printer you will give it a share name, like HPinkjet or whatever you want to name it. Input the name there and it should technically pull the driver down from that machine.
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Bobo said:
Screw printer sharing via other computers, I want the computers to connect directly to the printers over ethernet.
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Not trying to be an a-hole (cuz I know I succeed at that a lot) but that's already how I have it set up. I want to get rid of all the parallel wiring running around the office and just use the ethernet that I have there.

Basically i want it to be \\192.168.0.xxx. I just don't know how to get what that xxx is.

For linux printer sharing you will use CUPS, look into gimp print (google it) for open source drivers and then follow the same instructions

Seems you already got the DHCP server thing settled and figured out, good to know. I was talking about third party firmware like DD-WRT to be exact
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Thanks for the info.

That should work fine, unless you are setting up a print server which can be a bit trickier
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Yup I am. The HP 5000 uses a Jetdirect 600N Print Server and the 2840 has built in networking. I cannot figure out how to configure the 5000 for two reasons: 1. the jetdirect config does not print out on the menu map and 2. it's set on BNC (from the config page). I know everything about what it's set on, just now how to change it.

I should be ok with configuring the 2840 settings, as there is more documentation on it.

Thanks

Edit: I found these instructions:

HP LaserJet 4000, 4050, 4100, 4500, 4550, 5Si, 5SiMX, 5000, 5100, 8500, 8550, 8000, 8150 printers, HP 2500c Professional series, HP Business Inkjet 2200, 2250, and 2600 printers
To configure TCP/IP parameters from the control panel, use the following instructions:
  1. Press the MENU button until HP MIO 1 (or 2) , or HP EIO 1 (or 2) appears.
  2. Press the ITEM button until CFG NETWORK = NO appears.
  3. Press the PLUS or VALUE button until CFG NETWORK = YES appears.

    NOTE: The CFG NETWORK = XXX (XXX being YES or NO) is a toggle, not a permanent setting. Changing it to YES allows the settings to be changed at that time . It will appear as CFG NETWORK = NO each time this menu is accessed.
  4. Press SELECT or RESUME .
  5. Press ITEM repeatedly until CFG TCP/IP = NO appears.
  6. Press the PLUS or VALUE button until CFG TCP/IP = YES appears.

    NOTE: The CFG TCP/IP = XXX (XXX being YES or NO) is a toggle, not a permanent setting. Changing it to YES allows the settings to be changed at that time . It will appear as CFG TCP/IP = NO each time this menu is accessed.
  7. Press SELECT or RESUME .
  8. Press the ITEM repeatedly until BOOTP = YES* appears.
  9. Press the PLUS or VALUE button until BOOTP = NO appears.

    NOTE: When using BootP or DHCP, keep the setting BOOTP = YES *. The BootP or DHCP server will configure the TCP/IP parameters on the HP Jetdirect. No other TCP/IP configuring is necessary.
  10. Press SELECT or RESUME .
    The following two steps apply to the HP Jetdirect 610n cards only:
    1. DHCP=YES appears.
    2. Press the PLUS or VALUE button until DHCP = NO appears.

      NOTE: When using DHCP, keep the setting DHCP = YES *. The DHCP server will configure the TCP/IP parameters on the HP Jetdirect. No other TCP/IP configuring is necessary.
  11. Press SELECT or RESUME .
  12. Press ITEM until IP BYTE 1 = (value*) appears.
  13. Press the PLUS or VALUE button, until the desired value of the first byte of the IP address appears. By pressing and holding the PLUS or VALUE button, the value will scroll rapidly (HP LaserJet 4000, 5000, and 8000 printers have a MINUS button to decrease the value).
  14. Press SELECT or RESUME to save the value.
  15. Press ITEM to continue. Repeat Steps 11-13 to configure the remaining bytes of the IP address.
  16. Repeat Steps 11-13 to configure the subnet mask bytes (SM BYTE 1=), syslog server IP address (LG BYTE 1=), default gateway (GW BYTE 1=), and timeout (TIMEOUT=).
  17. Press ONLINE , GO or MENU . Print a self-test page to verify the IP settings.
  18. If the test page does not show the correct settings, power cycle the printer and reprint the test page.
Now I understand that, but what should i set the numbers to? Same as one of the PCs would be? (IP = 192.168.0.xxx, subnet = 255.255.255.0, etc.) or what?

I'm sorry if I"m not making sense. It's really hard to do this when I only half know what I'm doing and I had a concussion a couple weeks ago so my brain isn't firing on all cylinders yet. :)
 
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Ick, jet direct......

Well, this is how you do it. If you set it up for DHCP your router will assign the printer an address then you can use windows printer wizard to just browse for available printers. This should work ok, because whenever the printer releases the IP, the router will see it is still connected and lease it the same IP. That is how DHCP works by default.

That would be the easiest way. I hate jet direct. Or you can set the IP manually, and then use a web browser and telnet in like you would the router. Just need to make sure they are on the same subnet, so like for example 192.168.1.60 ~.80 can be IPs reserved for printers, and the rest can go to client machines.
 
tlarkin said:
Ick, jet direct......

Well, this is how you do it. If you set it up for DHCP your router will assign the printer an address then you can use windows printer wizard to just browse for available printers. This should work ok, because whenever the printer releases the IP, the router will see it is still connected and lease it the same IP. That is how DHCP works by default.

That would be the easiest way. I hate jet direct. Or you can set the IP manually, and then use a web browser and telnet in like you would the router. Just need to make sure they are on the same subnet, so like for example 192.168.1.60 ~.80 can be IPs reserved for printers, and the rest can go to client machines.
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Alright thanks.
 
Update...the 2840 is running fine now on the network. The 5000 not so much.

The 5000 situation:
Automatic TCP/IP config. According to its config page it has been assigned an IP address from the switch and seems to be functioning properly. However, the light on the switch for it is orange, unlike the others which are green. Also, there are no lights lighting up on the jetdirect card in the printer...
 
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