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[Aastii]

Really? Intel still dominates the top end that bad? So the i7 930 and all that are that much better than than the Phenom II 6 core?

And are you saying that if I were to get a GTX 570, I could overclock it too a 580's stock performance, and then some to match an overclocked 580?

Compare a 980x or an i5/i7 Sandy Bridge chip to a Thuban, and the performance difference is large to say the least. A 930 isn't Intel's top end, they have a lot more chips more powerful than it.

And no, I am not saying an overclocked 570 will matched an overclocked 580. An overclocked 570 can, and will, match or exceed the performance of a stock 580, but with the extra shaders, the 580 obviously has that bit extra when overclocked than a 570 will

 

[ChrisUlrich]

I did not realize that the 2600k was that much more powerful than the 930. I think it's I make the change from the Q9400 to an i7 2600k!

 

[Aastii]

I did not realize that the 2600k was that much more powerful than the 930. I think it's I make the change from the Q9400 to an i7 2600k!

Even with 2 less cores, it is on the performance of a 980x, so would be a large performance boost over your Q9400, in synthetic tests at least.

In the real world, your 9400 is still plenty for anything and everything and will be for a while. Honestly I would hold out until you start to notice you are getting held back, and by then either the Sandy Bridge/Bulldozer chips will be much cheaper, or there will be something even more powerful out for a price similar to what you would pay now

 

[Spesh]

Top end no, but the Intel chips can't come close to AMD in terms of price/performance. Mid range, AMD's top end (Phenom II x4/x6) is on par with Intels mid, which are considerably more expensive.

Sandybridge is Intels mid range platform and outright beats the top end Phenom II x4's. The slight price premium of SB over Deneb is massively overshadowed by the performance gains that it offers.

 

[StrangleHold]

Sandybridge is Intels mid range platform and outright beats the top end Phenom II x4's. The slight price premium of SB over Deneb is massively overshadowed by the performance gains that it offers.

I think you would get your point over better if you didnt give one less credit then it deserves and over glorify the other in a fanboy way.

Like using the word (Slight) difference in price. The i 2300/2400 is 50 bucks more then the 955. The i 2500 is 70 bucks more. The i 2500k is 90 bucks more. The i 2600/k is over double the price. Get real!

Using the word (massively overshadowed) on the Intel side. LOL

And if they are not top end in Intels line up right now, what is. Their last generation?

Its obvious you like Intel, but dont chew your own feet off.

 

[Spesh]

I think you would get your point over better if you didnt give one less credit then it deserves and over glorify the other in a fanboy way.

Like using the word (Slight) difference in price. The i 2300/2400 is 50 bucks more then the 955. The i 2500 is 70 bucks more. The i 2500k is 90 bucks more. The i 2600/k is over double the price. Get real!

Using the word (massively overshadowed) on the Intel side. LOL

And if they are not top end in Intels line up right now, what is. Their last generation?

Its obvious you like Intel, but dont chew your own feet off.

I actually used to have a 955BE running on an MSI NF980-G65. My Sandybridge build was to replace it when it was failing to meet my demands (I have pictures of the AMD build). This is my first Intel system and I am certainly no "fanboy", so I would prefer it if you refrained from using that term.

The simple fact is that while the chip may be 70 bucks more, you get much more performance for your money. However you try to spin it, you can't get away from the fact that SB offer the best price to performance ratio in the current market.

And no, SB is aimed at the mid range market and has been priced accordingly. Ivybridge will be the top end platform. Currently Intel still market the 980x/990x as being their top end chips.

 

[StrangleHold]

Like the way you used the 70 bucks. Lets see, right now the 955/965 both go for 140 bucks. Your 2600k is going for 315 bucks. I could by two 965 and have 35 bucks left over. Price to performance ratio is B/S. You could be a 956/motherboard and memory for what your 2600k runs. Oh you want to use the 980/990 in the 1000/1100 buck range just for the CPU. Keep chewing.

 

[Spesh]

I wasn't talking about the 2600k. Any of the SB chips will perform better. They're just faster clock for clock.

I really don't know what this chewing lark is about, it just makes you look rude and stupid.

I also don't understand the penultimate sentence of your last post.

 

[Aastii]

The 980x isn't really their top end, considering, as I said, Sandy Bridge matches/exceeds it performance wise.

Some Core 2 Duo chips are going for close to the price of quad core Nehalem chips. That doesn't make them better and it doesn't make them aimed at being better chips, it just makes them more expensive because of supply and demand.

The 980x is so expensive because you get 2 extra cores and because it has a black box and high stock clock speed. It isn't their best chip any more, at one point it was. It is still one of their high end chips, but their top end is their Sandy Bridge chips.

Intel's mid range, in terms of performance, their socket 1155 i5's, perform almost identically to Phenom II's

 

[Russ88765]

I thought this thread was about nvidia and radeon?

 

[Demilich]

Except the current range of AMD chips can't even come close to the current Intel chips in terms of performance. The only place where AMD close the gap is with their 6 core CPU's running heavily multithreaded applications.

Not to "gang up" on you, haha, however, I don't view the "best" as to which processor is overwhelming. I would view the "best" as in, the "best" CPU for your/ OP's situation. As an example, one with common sense would not buy an i7-980X for, say, occasional medium gaming and web surfing. Both manufacturers produce extremely reliable, sturdy processors.

Kind of like that Penn & Teller: BS "Best" episode lolz

So, in relation to the nVidia, AMD/ ATI topic, buy the card that gives you the most performance for the better price, that fits your current needs.

 

[Spesh]

The 980x isn't really their top end, considering, as I said, Sandy Bridge matches/exceeds it performance wise.

Some Core 2 Duo chips are going for close to the price of quad core Nehalem chips. That doesn't make them better and it doesn't make them aimed at being better chips, it just makes them more expensive because of supply and demand.

The 980x is so expensive because you get 2 extra cores and because it has a black box and high stock clock speed. It isn't their best chip any more, at one point it was. It is still one of their high end chips, but their top end is their Sandy Bridge chips.

Intel's mid range, in terms of performance, their socket 1155 i5's, perform almost identically to Phenom II's

No.......Sandybridge is aimed at the middle market (hence the pricing strategy). Ivybridge will be the new "enthusiast" release from Intel.

And I don't know where you're getting the idea that the socket 1155 i5's perform identically to the Phenom II's. The i5 is such a faster architecture and overclocks much better, while drawing less power and generating less heat.

 

[StrangleHold]

No.......Sandybridge is aimed at the middle market (hence the pricing strategy). Ivybridge will be the new "enthusiast" release from Intel.

Sandy Bridge is Intels (now) architecture. Its not like Sandy Bridge is mid range and Ivy Bridge will be the, as you call it enthusiast processor. Ivy Bridge will (replace) Sandy Bridge. Ivy Bridge suppost to be released sometime in 2012. Its a drop to 22nm. with better onboard and DirectX 11. There are reports that it will be released sooner because of Bulldozer.

 

[Spesh]

Sandy Bridge is Intels (now) architecture. Its not like Sandy Bridge is mid range and Ivy Bridge will be the, as you call it enthusiast processor. Ivy Bridge will (replace) Sandy Bridge. Ivy Bridge suppost to be released sometime in 2012. Its a drop to 22nm. with better onboard and DirectX 11. There are reports that it will be released sooner because of Bulldozer.

SB was always developed with the mid range market in mind. Ivybridge just took slightly longer to develop. SB will still be in production when Ivy is released (which will have better performance and a higher price tag)

As I said before, the 980x and 990x are still marketed as there top end chips even though SB is quicker in some benchmarks. If you speak to Intel directly they will confirm this.

Have a read of this review over at bit-tech.net. It's clearly stated as being a "mid range, mid priced CPU".

http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/cpus/2011/01/03/intel-sandy-bridge-review/1

 

[Aastii]

No.......Sandybridge is aimed at the middle market (hence the pricing strategy). Ivybridge will be the new "enthusiast" release from Intel.

And I don't know where you're getting the idea that the socket 1155 i5's perform identically to the Phenom II's. The i5 is such a faster architecture and overclocks much better, while drawing less power and generating less heat.

SB was always developed with the mid range market in mind. Ivybridge just took slightly longer to develop. SB will still be in production when Ivy is released (which will have better performance and a higher price tag)

As I said before, the 980x and 990x are still marketed as there top end chips even though SB is quicker in some benchmarks. If you speak to Intel directly they will confirm this.

Have a read of this review over at bit-tech.net. It's clearly stated as being a "mid range, mid priced CPU".

http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/cpus/2011/01/03/intel-sandy-bridge-review/1

You know that Intel are releasing some new chips in 2020, they are going to be Intel's new enthusiast chips

If you are going to compare chips that haven't been released or seen yet, put bulldozer into the equation and what do you know, Intel aren't that far ahead at all (if at all) now, so this entire argument is invalid.

Right now, at the time of typing, irregardless of what the prices are, Sandy Bridge is Intels latest and greatest, that is a fact. As I said previously, you can get Core 2 Chips for similar prices, or more, than Nehalem chips, even though they don't perform as well. Core 2 Extreme were based at the enthusiast market, and just because some Nehelem chips are cheaper, but aimed at mid-market, you wouldn't go saying "This chip is better than that", because it just isn't true.

Marketing and the real world are different, in the real world, Sandy Bridge are much better. Prices mean nothing, and no matter what price tag Intel put on it, 980/990x aren't the top dogs any more, and to say "but they say so" and claim that makes you right, put simply doesn't

 

[StrangleHold]

I deleted the post, this is getting ridiculous.

This is all it comes down too. Sandy Bridge is Intels new (now) generation. The 2600k is a highend processor (regardless of the price). at this point in time. Now Intel will probably release higher clocked Sandy Bridges before Ivy Bridge is released. Then the 2600k and below could be considered a mid range to lowend.

When Ivy Bridge is released, Sandy Bridge will be Intels last (older) generation. Of course both will still be produced when Ivy Bridge is first released. It always works that way.

Looking at it your way would be like. Say when the first Phenom was released, the Athlon 64 6400 would beat it in about any benchmark. So that means the Athlon 64 6400 was the highend and Phenom was the midrange in AMDs lineup. No No No, you dont look at it that way. The Athlon 64 6400 was the (highest end) fastest in their last generation, The highest clocked Phenom at that time was the highest end in the next generation.

You act like there will be no more higher clocked Sandy Bridges before Ivy Bridge is released. When that happens, then the present day Sandy Bridge will be a mid/low end processors. But when Ivy Bridge comes out it will over a period replace Sandy Bridge.