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prostocknutt

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After reading OC101, and all the other stuff related to OC, It has come time for me to order my CPU, which will be an AMD64 socket 939. I am really confused about something, and i wanna be sure before i waste my money. I have been trying to find a MSI K8N Neo2 Platinum MoBo but no one has one in stock, so i may be stuck with the Asus a8v deluxe.

This is what i am so confused about, There is no info i can find about the new Venice core cpu's, except everything seems to be the exact same on all the 3000+ - 3800+ chips with the exception of the ghz speed. I know there is no one who can say exactly what i will be able to get out of a 3000+ when i learn to OC it, but i guess i am trying to make sure i shouldnt order the 3500+ and start there. I could go with either, I just dont wanna get a 3500+ and the find i could have reached the same performance with a 3000+. Or would i be able to get a higher performance from a 3500+ in the end?
 
It's hard to say. Sometimes an inexpensive CPU will OC way higher than the more expensive one, sometimes they don't. I would expect a 3000+ to hit 3500+ levels without much fuss so worst comes to worse you would have an effective 3500+ that way.
 
Cromewell said:
It's hard to say. Sometimes an inexpensive CPU will OC way higher than the more expensive one, sometimes they don't. I would expect a 3000+ to hit 3500+ levels without much fuss so worst comes to worse you would have an effective 3500+ that way.
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Yea, i was almost sure i would be able to get 3500+ performance from a 3000+. I guess what i am asking, is if the 3500+ is worth the extra $70.00 or so bucks to buy as a starting point? If i can get a 3000+ to work like a 3500+, would i not be able to get a 3500+ to act like a 3800+, or a 4000+?
 
Yeah I understand what you're asking but there isn't a clear cut answer. You may be able to take a 3500 to 3800 or 4000 but maybe you can get a 3000 there...then again maybe you can't. Unfortunately the only answer would be to try it out, it depends on the chip you get. Sometimes you get one that is a stellar overclocker and sometimes you get one that can barely handle 10%
 
well.. if you get a nice 3000+, you can overclock it at least to 2,7 GHz.
however, you can get a 3000+venice who will run unstable then.
anyway, a 3000+ veince @ 2,7 equals a fx-55 prosessor.
so, dont waste your monney on a 3500+ i'd say.
hope you get a 'good' cored 3000+, and you can overclock it almost 1GHz :)
(if you have the proper cooling. )
 
Archangel said:
well.. if you get a nice 3000+, you can overclock it at least to 2,7 GHz.
however, you can get a 3000+venice who will run unstable then.
anyway, a 3000+ veince @ 2,7 equals a fx-55 prosessor.
so, dont waste your monney on a 3500+ i'd say.
hope you get a 'good' cored 3000+, and you can overclock it almost 1GHz :)
(if you have the proper cooling. )
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When you say you hope i get a "nice" core, are you saying that not all Venice core 3000+ cpus are not all the same? Are you saying that out of 5 or 6 of the same CPU, some will OC well and some wont?, just luck of the draw?
 
When you say you hope i get a "nice" core, are you saying that not all Venice core 3000+ cpus are not all the same?
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That what he is saying, they may all be the same from an architectural point of view, but some slabs of silcon react betters to overclcking than others


Are you saying that out of 5 or 6 of the same CPU, some will OC well and some wont?
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yes, appart from the 5 or 6 bit, he is saying that for all intents and purposes that out no 2 chips overclock exactly the same, we not if you get right down to detail.

just luck of the draw?
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We you can aid you luck, certain batchs maybe known for overclocking better, say (for example) all cpus of a certain cores made in the second half of certain month from a certain sector of a certain manufacturing plant in a certain country. So unless you're willing to track down those batch numbers then yes it just luck of the draw.
 
LOl, Oh man, just when i thought i had most things about OC somehwhat figured out, another variable is thrown into the mix. Both of the socket 939 MoBo's that are for AGP cards listed in the OC101 list are nowhere to be found, and NewEgg has now taken the MSI board listed off its website. All of the other outlets for the MSI board are listed as "Out Of Stock", and i am now wondering if the MSI and DFI boards listed in OC101 for AGP have been discontinued.

The asus A8V deluxe says it's OC features are good for about a 30% OC over what the cpu is listed at, but when I cant find the MSI board, i dont know what else i can do but get the asus, even if i am limited somewhat in my OC ability.
 
The Asus has limitations on the voltage changes that make for limited o/c.
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IIRC they both cap at 1.800v Vcore with a hidden autoboost of 0.015v (making them both 1.815v) so i dont know what yer talking about ... furthermore, id you need to bump your vcore that high, odds are you wouldnt be asking a OC question...
 
Praetor said:
IIRC they both cap at 1.800v Vcore with a hidden autoboost of 0.015v (making them both 1.815v) so i dont know what yer talking about ... furthermore, id you need to bump your vcore that high, odds are you wouldnt be asking a OC question...
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Praetor,

I see that you are using an Asus a8v deluxe MoBo and a AMD 3500+ chip which is exactly the same combo i will probably get myself. I have been checking into the two MoBo's suggested for the 939 socket with an AGP slot in OC101, but cannot find anyone who has either the DFI or the MSI boards suggested in stock, and a few places has told me that the MSI board has been discontinued.

This leaves me with one option, which is to buy the same combo that you have which is this MoBo i think.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813131510

I have heard a lotta flack about this board about its limitations on OC ability, and that its just not as good as others i could buy, but for some reason i am still drawn to the ASUS board like yours. Though it may be limited in its OC peak, and because you have this same combo as what i am looking into, i ask you for your opinon.

If i buy this combo, will i be able to get the 2.2 ghz AMD 3500+ Venice core CPU to give me 2.4+ performance, or make it work as though its a 3800+ or a 4000+ cpu? Will i be sorry if i make this purchase considering the specs i have now (see below), and will be making movies and gameing. The system i have now can get choppy on some games, and very choppy when capturing video from a device or editing.

Please tell me what you think, I would really like your input to make sure i am not throwing my money into something that just will not make me a better system than what i have now.

Thanks
 
Hmmm seems the Platinum is damn near gone everywhere, in anycase, id get this before getting the A8V

have heard a lotta flack about this board about its limitations on OC ability, and that its just not as good as others i could buy
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Dont get me wrong: it's a good board but there's some quirky stupidities with it: i.e., you cant have onboard and PCI sound simultaneous + OCing on it isnt the best (although for its class its pretty sweet it's just outclassed by the NF3 platform)

2.2 ghz AMD 3500+ Venice core CPU to give me 2.4+ performance
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i'd say thats a very easy task ... whether or not you can hit 3GHz is a totally different story

and very choppy when capturing video from a device or editing.
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thats gonna be choppy anyway ... but it wont be excessively choppy if thats what you're asking

Please tell me what you think, I would really like your input to make sure i am not throwing my money into something that just will not make me a better system than what i have now.
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1. its a better system than what you have now
2. my only beef with the ASUS/Abit boards is that their K8/K9 boards dont have the same oomph as their respective K7/P4 boards. Like i said, the boards are still good ... it's just that they arent nearly as impressive
 
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