Haha this is very true although...the reason I used "upgrade" was because I want to keep the case, Harddrive, dvd stuff, card reader, etc etc... and I looked and found that these mobo/cpu combos arent cheaper its just easier for people to get because if you buy them separately its the same price soo... I might as well just wait to upgrade the processor and then maybe the price on these dual cores may go down a bit when I go to upgrade the CPU. Yeah the ram is a must either way. I like these opinions though : ) I never thought I would receive such good feed back...most forums are not like this