OS X 10.6 is a $29 upgrade if you already run 10.5!

It sounds like Microsoft is/will be offering discounted upgrade rates if you're purchasing
a new pc, but I wouldn't hold your breath if you're expecting to get "grandfathered in".
 
Nice price but assuming he is highlighting major features, then it doesn't look like it should warrant a price much higher than that.
 
gamerman4 said:
Nice price but assuming he is highlighting major features, then it doesn't look like it should warrant a price much higher than that.
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Exactly, just like vista versus win7!

That is what I am talking about.

It does boast a few new features but mainly has been streamlined for intel hardware and dropped PPC support all together.
 
tlarkin said:
Exactly, just like vista versus win7!

That is what I am talking about.

It does boast a few new features but mainly has been streamlined for intel hardware and dropped PPC support all together.
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Which may make some of the most recent powermac G5 users angry, but a great way to save 6gb from the operating system nontheless. Im hopin m$ does something similar also, i dont have money lyin around to buy a new os every year and a half...
 
bomberboysk said:
Which may make some of the most recent powermac G5 users angry, but a great way to save 6gb from the operating system nontheless. Im hopin m$ does something similar also, i dont have money lyin around to buy a new os every year and a half...
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Yeah but Apple's business model has been that way since like OS 6. So Apple users are used to that. They drop legacy support more often than other companies which is both a good and a bad thing. Like you said it will drop 6gigs out of the OS and speed up the install a TON!

Windows 7 is nothing new under the hood compared to Vista, it is more streamlined with a few more UI features but nothing that any end user would really benefit from over Vista.

I hope they make a cheap upgrade for Vista users as I would like to move on to DX11 and Win7, but I can't really say $150 for an upgrade is worth it.

They also have like 4 versions coming out again with feature limits! Which is another thing I freaking hate about Windows.
 
tlarkin said:
Exactly, just like vista versus win7!

That is what I am talking about.

It does boast a few new features but mainly has been streamlined for intel hardware and dropped PPC support all together.
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Exactly, and I think Windows should be cheaper but I think that what 7 has to offer justifies a bit higher price for an upgrade. (not much though)

I love this part of the keynote:

"Even more complexity is present in Windows 7. The same old tech as Vista. Just another version of Vista."
"We come from such a different place. We love Leopard, we're so proud of it -- so we decided to build upon Leopard -- we want to build a better Leopard, hence Snow Leopard."

He just said: "Windows 7 is just an updated version of Vista, but since here at Apple we are so innovative, we are making....an updated version of Leopard."

...nothing that any end user would really benefit from over Vista.
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lolwut?
 
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tlarkin said:
Yeah but Apple's business model has been that way since like OS 6. So Apple users are used to that. They drop legacy support more often than other companies which is both a good and a bad thing. Like you said it will drop 6gigs out of the OS and speed up the install a TON!

Windows 7 is nothing new under the hood compared to Vista, it is more streamlined with a few more UI features but nothing that any end user would really benefit from over Vista.

I hope they make a cheap upgrade for Vista users as I would like to move on to DX11 and Win7, but I can't really say $150 for an upgrade is worth it.

They also have like 4 versions coming out again with feature limits! Which is another thing I freaking hate about Windows.
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Yeah, plus the smaller install is great especially if you have a small hdd(eg- 1st generation intel mac mini). Plus whats this thing they are implenting, gpu to take over some tasks? Hasnt nvidia been doing that with CUDA?
 
When I was sent to the MS road show like a few years ago when Vista was released I was surrounded by MS engineers and sales reps, as well as many other major third party vendors (share points, Symantec, Autodesk, etc) and I got to watch their demos, live hands on work shops and talk with them.

When I walked away from all of the stuff they were featuring and selling me, I maybe found like 3 or 4 features that benefited an end user. Almost all other features were built for advanced usage or IT type people.

Do you think an end user is going to go through stability monitor, or appreciate more robust crash logs? Do you think end users care about encrypted file systems or remote desktop features? Do you think end users want things like ZFS or EFI support? Do they even know what that stuff is?

When we demoed Office 2k7 with our accounting department they all threw a fit. Not a single one of them wanted to use it. MS had changed too much and they had been running those apps the way they like them for years. Also, no one could grasp the XML support added either, mainly because they aren't tech people.

Microsoft fails to implement any broad based features for end users that benefit the end user. Under the hood Windows 7 is Windows Vista.

The comment Apple made was of course self benefiting, they aren't going to dis their own product. While, I can't comment on Snow Leopard because of NDA agreements with Apple I can say that $29 is well worth the upgrade, in fact it is a steal.

Microsoft is going to charge you $150 for a feature limited upgrade that really benefits you in no real world way, except that it is more streamlined.
 
I've read somewhere that anyone who purchased a PC with Vista pre-installed will be able to upgrade to Windows 7 for free.
 
m0nk3ys1ms said:
I've read somewhere that anyone who purchased a PC with Vista pre-installed will be able to upgrade to Windows 7 for free.
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Yeah, MS does that if you purchase a new PC with in 6 months of Windows 7 being released, and building your own doesn't count. Which puts most of the members of this forum not in that category.
 
gamerman4 said:
"Even more complexity is present in Windows 7. The same old tech as Vista. Just another version of Vista."
"We come from such a different place. We love Leopard, we're so proud of it -- so we decided to build upon Leopard -- we want to build a better Leopard, hence Snow Leopard."

He just said: "Windows 7 is just an updated version of Vista, but since here at Apple we are so innovative, we are making....an updated version of Leopard."
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Love it. :good:

Hypocrisy at it's finest.
 
gamerman4 said:
"Even more complexity is present in Windows 7. The same old tech as Vista. Just another version of Vista."
"We come from such a different place. We love Leopard, we're so proud of it -- so we decided to build upon Leopard -- we want to build a better Leopard, hence Snow Leopard."
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If Jobs was presenting that wouldnt have happened....XD
 
Bodaggit23 said:
Just so you know for future use.
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Maybe your reading comprehension is not so good so I will spell it out for you. During the keynote, the speaker pointed out that Windows 7 is Vista but with a new name and the same technology, and that was hypocrisy. While, Snow Leopard is based on Leopard, hence the name hasn't changed, and they built off of Leopard and improved it massively with very little actual new features, thus not justifying calling it a brand new OS nor charging full price for it either.

Also, the definition of hypocrisy is having a pretense about something that you are not. Since Windows 7 has the pretense of a whole new OS but it is really optimized Vista under the hood is in fact a hypocrisy.
 
I think they're just running out of cat (or german tank) names...:P

I wouldn't say that Microsoft is renaming their OS, they still attach Windows to it so its not like they're hiding anything. The biggest difference they could have ever made was going from the MS-DOS based 9x OSs to NT, after that its always been a series of updates. I would actually consider the UI updates in 7 to be the most radical change (from a general usability standpoint) since Windows 95.
 
Bodaggit23 said:
If you say so. :rolleyes:

My definition came from Wiki.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypocrisy
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Why would you look up a definition of a word from wikipedia and not the dictionary?

Plus, anyone can edit a wiki...

I think they're just running out of cat (or german tank) names...
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We had a funny thread on one of the mac based forums I am on about that. We figured they have used: Puma, Cheetah, Jaguar, Panther, Tiger, Leopard, and now Snow Leopard. Still leaves, uh, Ocelot, Lynx, Lion, Snow Tiger (haha), thunder cats, Liger - pretty much my favorite OS, and saber tooth tiger?

I wouldn't say that Microsoft is renaming their OS, they still attach Windows to it so its not like they're hiding anything. The biggest difference they could have ever made was going from the MS-DOS based 9x OSs to NT, after that its always been a series of updates. I would actually consider the UI updates in 7 to be the most radical change (from a general usability standpoint) since Windows 95.
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Yeah this is sorta true. I mean Win2k and XP were built off the NT kernel and thus it was the death of the 9x kernel but XP had SUCH a HUGE amount of under the hood changes, kernel changes, and with 3 service packs it came out to be probably Microsoft's best OS to date. I think that XP was well worth the money given all the new features you got from it, and everything that MS put into it under the hood.

Vista, yes there is still a lot of under the hood work done over XP, but the features are really geared towards IT people or advanced users, not your average user. So, it is really hard to justify upgrading to Vista at all. I did it for one reason and one reason only, DX10. Otherwise I wouldn't have touched Vista at all on my PC.

Now Windows 7 offers the same under the hood tech as Vista did, and really has no ground breaking features and it fixes a lot of problems Vista has. Also Vista took what, like 7 years to develop? Then Windows 7 takes what, 2 years after Vista? It is blatantly obvious that Win 7 is a rebuild of Vista.

I just wish MS would charge an upgrade for an upgrade and not a whole new OS for an upgrade, and I also wish they would stop feature limiting their OS and just make it one single OS for the end user. I hate being feature limited and I think their price tier sucks for the feature limiting. If they priced it better maybe I'd like it more, but then again if frogs had wings....
 
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