PCIe and PCIe 2.0

The card itself will still work on a PCI-E 1.0-1.1 board while not seeing it's full potential since cards are backwards compatible by design to allow for replacement on older systems. Once you eventually upgrade the board, cpu, memory, etc. you could then see more out of a newer model card.
 
PC eye said:
The card itself will still work on a PCI-E 1.0-1.1 board while not seeing it's full potential since cards are backwards compatible by design to allow for replacement on older systems. Once you eventually upgrade the board, cpu, memory, etc. you could then see more out of a newer model card.
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so ur saying is , it wont show its true potential, but will it still be great ?
 
I don't quite think you would see the performance you would out of an 8800GTS 640mb 1.0-1.1 card while you would have the latest DX10 ready card onhand. The 2.0 and eventually 3.0 to be realized would see the full performance value there while the card should work as a good mid range until then.

MSI Reminds You...
• K9N6SGM-V doesn't support ATI X550, x1050, X700, X800, X850 and X1800XL series graphic cards.
http://www.msicomputer.co.uk/index.php?func=proddesc&prod_no=1086&maincat_no=1&cat2_no=171#

That shows right there that the board itself is leaning on the Radeon 2xxx and 3xxx series cards for ATI and 8xxx series NVidia models while being by the looks so far as a 1.1 model.

Slots •One PCI Express X16 slot (Run at x8 mode) (Due to the specification of the chipset, ATI X8xx, X7xx, X5xx, and X3xx series graphic card will not be supported.) •One PCI Express X1 slots •Two 32-bit Master 3.3v/5v PCI Bus slots
http://www.msicomputer.com/product/p_spec.asp?model=K9N6SGM-V&class=mb
 
PC eye said:
I don't quite think you would see the performance you would out of an 8800GTS 640mb 1.0-1.1 card while you would have the latest DX10 ready card onhand. The 2.0 and eventually 3.0 to be realized would see the full performance value there while the card should work as a good mid range until then.

MSI Reminds You...
• K9N6SGM-V doesn't support ATI X550, x1050, X700, X800, X850 and X1800XL series graphic cards.
http://www.msicomputer.co.uk/index.php?func=proddesc&prod_no=1086&maincat_no=1&cat2_no=171#

That shows right there that the board itself is leaning on the Radeon 2xxx and 3xxx series cards for ATI and 8xxx series NVidia models while being by the looks so far as a 1.1 model.

Slots •One PCI Express X16 slot (Run at x8 mode) (Due to the specification of the chipset, ATI X8xx, X7xx, X5xx, and X3xx series graphic card will not be supported.) •One PCI Express X1 slots •Two 32-bit Master 3.3v/5v PCI Bus slots
http://www.msicomputer.com/product/p_spec.asp?model=K9N6SGM-V&class=mb
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im sorry for my imcompetance but are u trying to say "NO you wont get good performance out of it since ur PCIE is 1.0 ............ :P "
 
Simple version. You have a PCIe X16 slot that only has 8 lanes instead of 16 plus its not PCIe 2.0. So both factors together might hinder the performance of the card. But to say you would get better performance with a 8800GTS 640mb card is completely unknown and stupid to say.
 
The card will likely backwards itself to the 1.0-1.1 and run like a half way decent card but won't see the performance gain you would be looking for. That would come with the 2.0 bus where the full potential for any of the newer cards coming out.

The older model Radeons are definitely ruled out as the MIS specifications point out while not mentioning any of the older NVidia models. In fact the "runs in 8x mode" suggests that a 1.0-1.1 card would run like an AGP 8x card on that model board. The 9800 GTX would certainly seem to be overkill there.
 
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In fact the "runs in 8x mode" suggests that a 1.0-1.1 card would run like an AGP 8x card on that model board. The 9800 GTX would certainly seem to be overkill there.
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You cant compare AGP X8 to PCIe with 8 lanes. The bandwidth of PCIe 8 lanes stomps the bandwidth of AGP X8, there no comparison.

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The point there is that the board won't even offer the best value for a 1.1 card seeing it limited to the 8x mode for a PCI-E 16x capable card. You may as well liken it to running an AGP card in that sense since the performance value isn't there to start with. I think a good look at some other boards offering more would be the thought along those lines.
 
All thats true but PCIe X8 has alot more bandwidth than AGP X8. But just to (make up) statistics isnt the way to do it PC eye.
 
another thing, is according to that chart, he wont lose gobs of framerates, it will actually be quite decent still.
 
Without an SLI setup on that board all that is available is the 8 lines and not any further towards the 16x capability of even a single 1.1 model card. Now compare that to what would be lost with a brand new high end 2.0 card to see how that analogy hits the mark especially for planning out a gaming build.

Are you going to rush out and spend $300+ on a new high end 2.0 card while a single $125 1.1 card can't even benefit from the lack of performance on a specific board? The best move with intent on the latest card is to go with a board that actually offers support for the new line as well as seeing all 16 lines available when using a single card by itself since there is no plans on SLI.

Unfortunately that vendor only offers a limited selection of boards to begin with. The Asus M3A however is a PCI-E 2.0 board while seeing an AMD not nForce chipset as seen at http://www.cobra-computers.co.uk/scripts/products.aspx?shop_id=-1&cat_id=-1&subcat_id=65&id=1172

The memory standard is 1066/800/667/533 over the MSI model's 800/667/533 as another plus to add along with the one main item of concern namely support for the 9800 GTX. I can imagine the price factor of 89.99 over 49 pounds is the main drawback however. That's where shopping around to look at what other vendors have for specials could be a help.
 
PC eye he already has the board (read man). Hes updating his video card. He can always use the card if he updates his board at a later date. Its true it will hinder the performance of the card but your example is way off the mark. And you can keep saying the same crap over and over, it doesnt change anything.
 
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PC eye he already has the board (read man). Hes updating his video card. He can always use the card if he updates his board at a later date. Its true it will hinder the performance of the card but your example is way off the mark. And you can keep saying the same crap over and over, it doesnt change anything.
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no efense to PC EYE, i dont really quite understand what he says some times , no effense again. but all in lames term. becaue my board is a bit old and has only PCiE 1.0 quality, getn a PCIe 2.0 card will be hindered by the mobo and i wont get the true quality and performance of the GPU
 
Not for sure if its a PCIe 1.0-1.1 or 1.1a but the biggest hit you will take is that it only has 8 lanes instead of 16. With a 9800 you probable will get a performance hit but if you have the bucks go for it. You can always update your board later. Just make sure you have a good enough P/S. It might be a good idea to email them and make sure its 8 lane compatible.
 
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Like I mentioned from the start the card will run but in a very limited capacity seeing an even larger performance drop then a 1.1 card due to the bus and the SLI mandate that board seems to have to go past the 8x mode when a single card is used. When you finally are able to upgrade then the full potential of the newer high end card will then start to be seen.

The question now is where you will find a 9800 GTX card since the top end card found at the UK vendor you posted is the PNY 8800 GT 512mb model seen at http://www.cobra-computers.co.uk/sc...spx&shop_id=18&cat_id=29&subcat_id=92&id=1168 Newegg doesn't ship out of the US.
 
Why do you keep saying SLI. His board is not a SLI board. Its limited to 8 lanes because it has a nforce 405 chip. Has nothing to do if it has SLI or not. A 405 chip cant run SLI.
 
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PC eye said:
Like I mentioned from the start the card will run but in a very limited capacity seeing an even larger performance drop then a 1.1 card due to the bus and the SLI mandate that board seems to have to go past the 8x mode when a single card is used. When you finally are able to upgrade then the full potential of the newer high end card will then start to be seen.

The question now is where you will find a 9800 GTX card since the top end card found at the UK vendor you posted is the PNY 8800 GT 512mb model seen at http://www.cobra-computers.co.uk/sc...spx&shop_id=18&cat_id=29&subcat_id=92&id=1168 Newegg doesn't ship out of the US.
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oooo ok i understand that part, but naw i live in CALI USA, i just wanted to show u the board i have since newegg doesnt hold that product anymore. But im going with EVGA :D heard good things aboutem
 
eVGA makes some great cards as well as BGF and MSI. Once you are ready to upgrade the board and have the money for that the price will most likely have come down even further on that same model. $300+ is seen now since the line just came out but will drop once the next line is seen. In a couple of months the same card could seen for $250- or less if you catch a sale at that time.

You may as well want to plan ahead since the upgrade of board may likely see a cpu and memory change on top of the new card. That way you end up with a good mix for a new card to go with. That's when you will see the full potential once on a board that sees all 16 not just the 8x mode available.

For the present board while not being an SLI capable model with only one slot you can see where it would take SLI to go above the 8x mode. But you shop around a little to see if you spot a deal on a PCI-E 2.0 board in the meantime.

As for an older board no longer seen at newegg just run a search and you'll usually find a link to the manufacturer's own product or support page for looking up a particular model. Then you have the specifications there to look over since vendors sometimes make a goof when printing those up.
 
PC eye said:
eVGA makes some great cards as well as BGF and MSI. Once you are ready to upgrade the board and have the money for that the price will most likely have come down even further on that same model. $300+ is seen now since the line just came out but will drop once the next line is seen. In a couple of months the same card could seen for $250- or less if you catch a sale at that time.

You may as well want to plan ahead since the upgrade of board may likely see a cpu and memory change on top of the new card. That way you end up with a good mix for a new card to go with. That's when you will see the full potential once on a board that sees all 16 not just the 8x mode available.

For the present board while not being an SLI capable model with only one slot you can see where it would take SLI to go above the 8x mode. But you shop around a little to see if you spot a deal on a PCI-E 2.0 board in the meantime.

As for an older board no longer seen at newegg just run a search and you'll usually find a link to the manufacturer's own product or support page for looking up a particular model. Then you have the specifications there to look over since vendors sometimes make a goof when printing those up.
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but the boards for socket AM2 that hold PCIE2.0 are to expensive, but i found the perfect card that can give me the great graphics(9600GT)

thanks for all ur help thouhg PC Eye
 
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