Quest for OC Knowledge

To Sum Up

Ok, Summing Up what I know now.

LDT is the "Base Clock". LDT X LDTMultiplier = HTT (Still don't know what HTT does)
LDT X CPUMulitplier = Net Speed of CPU
Net Speed/Divider = Ram Speed

For CPUs With FSB

FSB X CPUMulitplier=Net Speed of CPU
FSB/Ram Ratio = Ram Speed

Am I missing something/Mixing something up?
Note: Why is CPUz Showing HTT=200 MHz (wich happens to be my base clock speed...)

Getting there ;)
 
apj101 said:
Head... bang.... wall....bang.... head....bang....wall.....bang

Sorry but im peeing myself laughing.


HTT is the "highway" in which information travels. The core speed of this is 200 and the multipier is 5 which makes you have 1000 Mhz HTT. By making the multiplier x 4 or x 3 it doesn't really do anything because if you take that "highway" and shorten the width it still has ample space for information to travel. Although if you overclock, and the overclock raises the HTT to high the computer simply won't boot which is why we make the multiplier x 4 or x 3 to compensate for the overclock. You always try to keep the HTT around 1000 if possible.
 
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MIK3daG33K said:
By making the multiplier x 4 or x 3 it doesn't really do anything because if you take that "highway" and shorten the width it still has ample space for information to travel.
actually, mhz = speed... there are two bandwidths when it comes to HTT and they're both 16-bits wide. those 16-bits are how much info they can carry in a technical sense, and the mhz = the miles per hour, or kilometers per hour that the information travels...
which is why a 939 3200+ would run at 2.0ghz with 1ghz fsb
but a 754 3200+ would run at 2.2ghz with an 800mhz fsb.
 
Confusion, set me straight

MIK3daG33K said:
Because AMD uses HTT and Intel uses FSB, but it is the same thing.

That doesn't answer my question, what I mean to say is that CPUz posts the HTT as 200MHz (The core speed, not the net speed of CPU, but the base speed). And my friends FSB is 133MHz (Wich also seem to be the base Core Speed)

Example: My computer
CPUz shows HTT:200MHz
Mulitplier:10x
"Net"Core speed:2000MHz

But you guys is saying that HTT is the LDT(the base core speed I think)XThe LDT Multiplier = HTT. (So 200MHz X5 = 1000MHz)

And the "base core speed" is called LDT, right?
 
fade2green514 said:
actually, mhz = speed... there are two bandwidths when it comes to HTT and they're both 16-bits wide. those 16-bits are how much info they can carry in a technical sense, and the mhz = the miles per hour, or kilometers per hour that the information travels...
which is why a 939 3200+ would run at 2.0ghz with 1ghz fsb
but a 754 3200+ would run at 2.2ghz with an 800mhz fsb.

I agree, but how does that comment on what i said?
 
Hi,

Im only learning myself here but ill try to explain it, as i understand it! So anyone please correct me if im wrong :/

I think whats confusing here is LDT (Lightning Data Transport) LDT is an earlier version of HTT (Basicaly), AMD then re-developed it for the use in desktop pc's and it became HTT and as such LDT should be ignored!

FSB is another (earlier) version of HTT but is used in pentuims and old(ish) AMD based motherboards

HTT in the sense you wish to know is how fast and how much the components/circitury of your pc can comunicate with each other.

You will also find something called a HTT multiplier, it can normaly be set to x1 x2 x3 x4 x5 or Auto

You will also find something called a CPU multiplier (settings are cpu dependent)

So to work out the actual speed your cpu is running at you need to do the following;
FSBorHTT * CPU Multiplier = the actual speed of the cpu!
To overclock this you need to raise the multiplier first if it is not already set to maximum then raise the FSBorHTT!

Next you will need to work out what your memory bandwidth is, to do this do the following;
HTT * HTT multiplier = total memory bandwidth
Overclocking this gets tricky (for little or no gain for average pc use) so i advise you set it to auto and let the bios work it out for you!

Memory Divider (how you work this out im not to sure mathematicaly). As you overclock the FSBorHTT you will in turn make the memory run faster, normaly speeds at which it canot function at, so to rectify this you run it using a divider or trick the mobo into thinking its slower memory, if you have DDR400 but set it to believe its running DDR333 module(s) you would be running a divider, but because your FSBorHTT is higher than it should be you will overclock you "DDR333" to DDR400 speeds which it is capable of running at! (if you have DDR400 you will most likely be able to set it to DDR400 DDR333 DDR266 but will vary from mobo to mobo)

This is how my comp is set up
my HTT is set at 300mhz with the cpu multiplier set to 9 (300*9 is 2700) which means my cpu is runing at 2700mhz!

(this is the bit i dont fully understand so ill give it a go)
HTT Divider is set to AUTO so i "guess" it sets it using a HTT of 300mhz * a htt multi of x3 = 900mhz The max bandwidth my mobo can handle is 1000mhz so it has to set it = to or lower than that. My cpu will only use a max htt of 800mhz anyway and my memory is only DDR400 dual chanel so has a total bandwidth of 800mhz so thats where this becomes pointles for me and probably for you to so i dont know much about it sorry!

Memory modules must also be taken into consideration, if i raise the HTT, my mobo would be asking the memory to run at speeds it simply cannot function at so i ask it to run a divider of 266 which makes it think that its DDR266, but because the HTT is running higher than it should (overclocked) it will run at DDR400 (well just under)

As i say im only learning myself so its all very vague to me too, but i hope this helps you!

p.s plz excuse spellings, it just seemed like to much effort to check after typing all that!
 
HTT is the "highway" in which information travels. The core speed of this is 200 and the multipier is 5 which makes you have 1000 Mhz HTT.
the core speed will vary as you oc, and the multiplier is not always x5, all s754 are x4, as are some of the fx series.

Ok, Summing Up what I know now.

LDT is the "Base Clock". LDT X LDTMultiplier = HTT (Still don't know what HTT does)
LDT X CPUMulitplier = Net Speed of CPU
Net Speed/Divider = Ram Speed

For CPUs With FSB

FSB X CPUMulitplier=Net Speed of CPU
FSB/Ram Ratio = Ram Speed
almost correct

As a note, LDT is an old name now, it simply called HTT now. Now dont worry if your getting confused between LDT(pre multiplier),LDT (post multiplier), and HTT (pre and post multiplier) they are all used pretty interchangably. To be clear LDT is the HTT, and to be strick refers to the speed after the LDT/HTT multiplier. The speed before the multiplier is simply the base clock, you could call it the LDT base clock if you wanted

base clock * LDT/HTT multiplier = LDT/HTT

If that's the case, then why does CPUz use HTT and FSB as the Core Speed?
because its wrong ;), thats not the only reading on cpuz that is misleading/wrong

Because AMD uses HTT and Intel uses FSB, but it is the same thing.
not really, they're similar, but not the same

no

Just go with Intel :] its less complicating. lol jK
how is it less comlicated??? why dont you wirte me two 10,000 essays on both topic, then come back and say which is less complicated :D :D :D
 
apj101 said:
the core speed will vary as you oc, and the multiplier is not always x5, all s754 are x4, as are some of the fx series.

I know this, but didn't want to confuse him with it lol.


apj101 said:
not really, they're similar, but not the same



Again, I just wanted to give him an idea.
 
MIK3daG33K said:
I know this, but didn't want to confuse him with it lol.






Again, I just wanted to give him an idea.

I think I would have been less confused if you just told me that in the first place, I do learn fast you know.;)

Ok, summing up again:

BaseClock*Multiplier=CPUspeed
CPUspeed (or is it base clock?)/divider=memspeed
BaseClock*HTTMultiplier=HTT Wich should be around 1000MHz
or
BaseClock*FSBMultiplier=FSB

Did I get that right this time? And why is there no name for the baseclock? Is it just called baseclock, or core clock?
 
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oh, and around what speed should the PCI go, 33MHz? And is the PCI-e actually mean my video card, or is it much like the PCI. If so, should it stay at 100MHz?
 
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