Question about AMD...

[Geoff]

well my personal opinion is that if you do any gaming at all then athlon 64 is currently the best.. pentium 4 chips are priced well, but they're more multitasking chips..

I agree with you there, when i had my A64 it was a very nice gaming CPU. Even a Sempron boosted my game fps than my old P4 3Ghz did. However now i do alot of multi-tasking, and thats why i choose the Pentium D over the Athlon 64.

 

[fade2green514]

yea i prefer gaming and multitasking.. i like to have my comp do stuff like 24/7... burning + encoding and gaming... all at once...
thats why i chose Athlon 64 X2 lol

 

[SemiDevil]

Generally yes, but Intel's upcoming CPU will be better in games and multitasking.

Wow.....now that is something to think about. Intel's upcoming CPU will be better in games and multitasking?

Unbelievable....Any other info on the new Intel Chip?
WHen will it release?

What would AMD do about that? Will they also offer a new cpu?

SemiDevil

 

[Geoff]

Wow.....now that is something to think about. Intel's upcoming CPU will be better in games and multitasking?

Unbelievable....Any other info on the new Intel Chip?
WHen will it release?

What would AMD do about that? Will they also offer a new cpu?

SemiDevil

It's codenamed "Conroe". When tested again an FX-60 at 2.8Ghz, the Conroe outperforms it: http://www.anandtech.com/tradeshows/showdoc.aspx?i=2713&p=2

AMD's new processor is the AM2 series, however it doesnt look like its going to outperform the Conroe as of this time.

 

[SemiDevil]

It's codenamed "Conroe". When tested again an FX-60 at 2.8Ghz, the Conroe outperforms it

Yikes.... I am very astonished by the results...Simply amazing.

AMD's new processor is the AM2 series, however it doesnt look like its going to outperform the Conroe as of this time.

I really do hope that the new AMD processor will at least be somewhat equal to the Conroe.

 

[Geoff]

I really do hope that the new AMD processor will at least be somewhat equal to the Conroe.

As of now it's really not. Recent benchmarks show that the new AM2 platform will only have about 1-5% performace gain, and it's only around 0-3% improvement in games. But they have some time before it's released, so they may improve it a little more.

 

[fade2green514]

well, if conroe is like core duo then athlon 64 will simply need more cache to catch up to it..
hopefully conroe and merom prove to be better than the core duo performs...
those benchmarks aren't reliable in my opinion, they didn't tell any system specs, and the tests weren't official (meaning a specific program, like 3dmark or sisoftware sandra)
also AMD has a sort of "anti-hyperthreading" which actually boosts the performance of a dual core chip by letting both cores work on a single thread. im not sure how it works, but if they perfect that then it'll be intel's worst enemy!

 

[liquidshadow]

The only reason that AM2 doesn't give much of a performance boost is because of their processor architecture. They're still running off the K8 design but that doesn't use the DDR2 ram efficiently. That's why AMD is making a new design to release in 2007/2008.
Which means that Intel will probably have a headstart in the market.

 

[Geoff]

The only reason that AM2 doesn't give much of a performance boost is because of their processor architecture. They're still running off the K8 design but that doesn't use the DDR2 ram efficiently. That's why AMD is making a new design to release in 2007/2008.
Which means that Intel will probably have a headstart in the market.

But in January of '07, Intel is going to release a Quad-Core processor, codenamed Kentsfield. Who knows how well that will perform.

 

[SemiDevil]

But in January of '07, Intel is going to release a Quad-Core processor, codenamed Kentsfield. Who knows how well that will perform.

A quad core? WOW....does that mean two dual core in one PC? That is simply amazing. THe Conroe haven't even come out yet and now they are thinking of coming out with a new PC with a Quad core? Man, PCs are moving fast.

A couple of questions though: I know the upcoming COnroe will be in a 2.7 ghz.

1) does that mean its going to have MORE cache? If so, how much more?

2) Any other info on the Kentsfield Quad core chip? I have a feeling its not going to be a 4 GHZ........Heck, I even doubt its going to be 3 GHZ.

Why is Intel designing slower clock speed anyways? That seems kinda strange to me.


Semi

 

[Impr3ssiv3]

SemiDevil your too caught up in the numbers

the clock speed has nothng to to with cache and higher clock speed doesnt mean a faster chip than a slower clock speed. didnt we alredy explain this

 

[SemiDevil]

SemiDevil your too caught up in the numbers

the clock speed has nothng to to with cache and higher clock speed doesnt mean a faster chip than a slower clock speed. didnt we alredy explain this

Yea, HAHAHA...sorry...DOn't worry...I am slowly accepting the fact that you don't need a higher clock speed. Its just that all these years, I was under the impression that if you have a higher clock speed than you will have an awesome PC.

BUt don't worry, after visiting this forum and familiarizing myself, I now know more and will learn more and I am slowly accepting the fact that you don't need a higher clock speed.

 

[SemiDevil]

I forgot to ask...can you ask for more cache if your computer came with llike 512 and you want it to add to like a 2 mb??

Whats the limit so far to Cache? How much can you add?

 

[apj101]

sigh...i leave you alone in my section for 5 mins! Joking... but a few correction are called for...(some of which may have already been made)

No intel didnt but if they did a 4600+ would be equal to it

No it wouldn't those PR numbers bear no reference to intels clock speed. Just like the 3 number naming system of intel bears no reference to the 4 number system of AMD.
It did used to be the case that PR number/1000 = intel clock speed. But that was about 2 or 3 centuries ago

Cool...I did not know that....Intel made a 4.6 Ghz processor? WOW..

they dont make one at stock, but overclockers have seen intel p4's go beyond 4.6ghz

Oh, I see. Hm...I have a little suspicious mind here... A 4600 is about 2.4 GHZ and they claimed that an AMD 2.4 GHZ is about equals to Intel's 4.6 GHZ? Hmm...

again the clock speed doesn’t matter, the lower clock 2.2ghz Pentium-M will trounce its higher clocked P4 cousins at everything!

The faster you speed up the clock rate the more you can do in less time.

kind of, but remember the faster your clock the smaller your ‘packets’ and increase branch misses (errors), all mean faster is not always better, what you need is efficiency

AMD's new processor is the AM2 series, however it doesnt look like its going to outperform the Conroe as of this time.

AMD do not have any processor of the AM2 model. Nor do AMD have any new processor, they are still using the AMD64 and X2 models just as before. The AM2 is the new socket, not a new model. I don’t remember all this confusion between a socket and a cpu when they move from s754 to s939. What did that bring us.... ah yes mainly dual channel ... pretty similar style upgrade that we see with AM2.

I really do hope that the new AMD processor will at least be somewhat equal to the Conroe.

See above (hint: its not a new model)

As of now it's really not......But they have some time before it's released, so they may improve it a little more.

Don’t count on it, with launch in a matter of days, those lack-lustre figures are here to stay...

well, if conroe is like core duo then athlon 64 will simply need more cache to catch up to it..

It'll take a lot more than that....

those benchmarks aren't reliable in my opinion

now there's something we agree on.

They're still running off the K8 design but that doesn't use the DDR2 ram efficiently.

its not that they cant use DDR2 efficiently, it just that bandwidth is not really a limiting issue for the k8's

That's why AMD is making a new design to release in 2007/2008.

are you talking about the k8L... if you are dont hold your breathe

But in January of '07, Intel is going to release a Quad-Core processor, codenamed Kentsfield. Who knows how well that will perform.

i think [opinion alert] that we are reaching a diminishing returns point faster than we are scaling up the cores.

THe Conroe haven't even come out yet and now they are thinking of coming out with a new PC with a Quad core?

the quad cores will be built on Conroe (core) architecture

Why is Intel designing slower clock speed anyways? That seems kinda strange to me.

because they have realised something that most people have not… that clock speed means much less than a good architecture.

BUt don't worry, after visiting this forum and familiarizing myself, I now know more and will learn more and I am slowly accepting the fact that you don't need a higher clock speed.

Read
http://www.computerforum.com/showthread.php?t=13239

I forgot to ask...can you ask for more cache if your computer came with llike 512 and you want it to add to like a 2 mb??

lol, i think you need to learn what cache is, it not like ram. Its build onto the cpu die and can't be upgraded

 

[Geoff]

AMD do not have any processor of the AM2 model. Nor do AMD have any new processor, they are still using the AMD64 and X2 models just as before. The AM2 is the new socket, not a new model. I don’t remember all this confusion between a socket and a cpu when they move from s754 to s939. What did that bring us.... ah yes mainly dual channel ... pretty similar style upgrade that we see with AM2.

There not the same exact processor, but they're the same series.

lol, i think you need to learn what cache is, it not like ram. Its build onto the cpu die and can't be upgraded

Not on the new ones, but older Intel's used to have external cache that could be added.

 

[apj101]

There not the same exact processor, but they're the same series.

pinout and ddr2 are the only noteable change and the ddr2 is only on the mem controller

Not on the new ones, but older Intel's used to have external cache that could be added.

back in the p3 days, man those things were huge