Question about future upgrade

Discussion in 'Motherboards' started by ssal, Nov 19, 2019.

  1. ssal

    ssal Active Member

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    I've just built the following:

    AMD Ryzen 7 2700X Processor
    ASRock MicroATX Motherboard (B450M PRO4)
    Corsair LPX 32GB (2x16GB) 3200MHz C16 DDR4 DRAM Memory Kit
    Seagate BarraCuda 2TB Internal Hard Drive HDD – 3.5 Inch SATA 6Gb/s 7200 RPM
    HP EX920 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive
    COUGAR MX330 Mid-Tower Case
    ZOTAC GeForce GTX 1060 DirectX 12 ZT-P10620A-10M 6GB 192-Bit GDDR5X PCI Express 3.0 HDCP Ready Video Card
    EVGA - 600W ATX 12V/EPS 12V 80 Plus Power Supply - Black

    I am quite happy with the performance of it for my video editing. It encodes very fast with Premiere Pro and Media Encoder and I have no problem seeing the effects when I scrubbed the playback.

    But when I tried using rotobrush in After Effect, it is still a dog. The opinion in the video community thinks that AE uses a lot more CPU processing power. That makes me research on future upgrade on the CPU, and possibly GPU too.

    I reviewed some bench testing reports on the Ryzen 9-3900x and the 7-3800x. I don't want to do anything now. But I am pretty sure AMD will keep introducing newer/faster generations of their CPU. That would render the lowering of prices of these two processors, particularly, in the 2nd hand market.

    The last time I checked, my MBO BIOS had been upgraded to accept gen 3 CPUs. If and when I am ready to upgrade, do you think it will be as easy as just switching out the CPUs, without any hassle?

    And if I do, what would be a compatible GPU to swap so both CPU and GPU are compatibly powerful/speedy?

    I am also assuming that I will not to do anything with the other installed components. Right?

    Thank you for your input and suggestions.
     
  2. ssal

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    I research compatibility and found that the ASRock B450M Pro4 is listed as compatible to the 9-3900x. And the GPU is also compatible.

    If I do switch, how's that going to affect my Windows 10 license?
     
  3. johnb35

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    I won't. Changing the cpu will not want reactivation. Usually its a change of the motherboard that instantly warrants a reactivation. But as long as your activation is tied to your MS account, you should have no problem even changing motherboards.
     
  4. ssal

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    That's good.
    I'll keep my eyes open. In a couple of years, I hope I can pick it up in the used market for under $250
     
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  5. Intel_man

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    Unlikely. High end CPUs retain their value surprisingly well.
     
  6. ssal

    ssal Active Member

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    I did some research on the 7-2700x I have. I paid about $200 a couple of months ago. Previous generation 7-1700x in 2017 (a power house then) was $220. Today, brand new is around $165 and used can be have for around $120.

    I think there is a price bracket for certain classes of CPU. I think the future 9-4900x will still be in the $5-600 range. There are those who want the better and newer will want to replace their 9-3900x and dump the one they are using in the used market.
     
  7. revolution221

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  8. ssal

    ssal Active Member

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    Where are you?
    In the US, on eBay, the 8350 fx sold for between $90 to $99 in the used market.
    Why would anyone want to spend the same amount of money on a 7 year CPU while the 7-2700x benchtests twice as fast?
     
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  9. Intel_man

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    You'd be surprised what people would pay for obsolete things.

    Keep in mind that the key factor in decent price drops for the 1700X is because AMD dropped prices on them at the launch of the 2700X. That's not necessarily due to just depreciation of the chip itself over time, but a drop in MSRP. Once CPU's get phased out/sold out and replaced by newer processors, they tend to hold onto their value afterwards quite well.
     
  10. revolution221

    revolution221 New Member

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    Mostly compatibility with AM3+ Motherboards, especially for those not ready for a ryzen upgrade (you have to upgrade ram and mobo while doing that, something I recently did :))
    Also I've had some bad luck with used gear on ebay before, it's well worth the piece mind buying from amazon with two day shipping
    That being said, I'll be able to resell it and make some money back anyway
     
  11. ssal

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    That's the nature of business. The new generation takes the place of the previous crown and pushes the old generation down the ladder.

    The 7-2700x was around $320 in May 2018 when it was introduced. In July 2019 when the 3700x was introduced, its price dropped to $260. And now it is around $200.
     
  12. ssal

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    That kind of my sentiment two years from now. The 7-3800x or 9-3900x are both AM4 architect and totally compatible with my other components. I may also upgrade the DDR4 ram to 64gb when I upgrade to the cheaper and faster CPU a couple of years from now.
     
  13. Intel_man

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    Not necessarily. The first 2 gens of Ryzen was price reduced to undercut Intel in sales and gain more steam to get more marketshare that was once Intel dominant.

    Now that they've clawed market share back, I wouldn't necessarily bank on AMD to continue being the nice guy in discounting their stuff if they don't have to. Since their processors are worth buying over the current Intel offering, price cuts may not happen.

    If they eventually follow the path of how Intel prices processors, the older gen products won't be much cheaper. Just take a look at all the K sku processors on ebay that are a few generations old. They still demand quite a decent amount of dough.

    Either way, enjoy what you have now and don't worry too much about how much it'll cost for you down the road to upgrade. Whatever we're going to predict is probably going to be wrong anyways.
     
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  14. ssal

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    Yes, I am very happy with the new built. Had it for two months and very happy with performance in Adobe Premiere Pro and Adobe Media Encoder.

    With a relatively fast machine, I jumped back into Adobe After Effects and hit a stone wall. AE requires far more CPU performance in its pixel manipulation. So of the functions like tracking mask and rotobrush is very demanding. That's why I am thinking of an upgrade down the road.

    Thanks to a very healthy and robust used markets like eBay and Amazon, a 2 year old CPU will be definitely cheaper than what it is today.
     
  15. ssal

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  16. Intel_man

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    Heh... welcome to Black Friday prices.
     

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