superflysmith
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See the fourth post. My links sucked.
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rate these PC parts for my new computer
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Ok lets try this again.
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4W4K3 said:
So you think I should go cheaper on the RAM, I was thinking of going cheaper on the video card but now I'll have to consider your suggestions.
I've been wanting to build a computer for a couple of years now. My HP pavilion 7940 has been driving me nuts with video stuff. I've upgraded the RAM a little but this pc just won't cut it. I can afford this because I just refinanced my house and I am getting a huge escrow check back
I'm looking at $1530.00 here. XP pro OEM adds another $133.99. I just wonder what it'd cost already built at a store.
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superflysmith said:
LOADS more, you get soaked for labor and whatever crazy fee they will include. if you build it yourself you gain knowledge of your system...which is priceless IMO. if it breaks...you most likely know what to do since you were the one building it and have previous knowledge of how it was hooked up/configured/all that stuff. you COULD go cheaper on the card as well...but if you downgrade RAM and have enough already...theres no need. the 6800GT is a very beautiful card that will be cheaper i believe.
Pointless. The GeForce6800GT is cheaper and superior hands down.
I noticed. Good choice on the Corsair.
Shrug... for now.
Avoid this halfbreed. Get either of the other 9x5 boards.
I'd get a real DVD burner: LiteOn, ASUS, Plextor, Pioneer etc
I would defiitely get a real burner.
No you dont
You have a 420W psu ... 420A would translate to like 50kWYou and ur damn timings
Yes but if he was getting DDR then definitely dont get that mobo, the i875P line is far superior
Stick to the RAM. Get a cheaper video card.... like the 6800GT.
Well not priceless... i *do* charge $110/hour
Praetor said:LOL one of these days im gonna get it through to you timings dont matter
how do they not matter? it varies my scores when benchmarking, it regulates my boot time/boot AT ALL (refuses to boot at 2-2-2-5), my friend (OCZ PC2700 dual*256) is running 191mhz 2-2-2-11 @ 2.4ghz and MATCHING my superPI timings...thats just sad considering im 235mhz 2.5-2-2-5 @ 2.6ghz. i should be beating scores from his machine...i think its cuz im on 2.5CAS...or no?
Benchmarking gives an overview -- not uberhard numbers that are carved in stone. You can get 1534765358 points today and tomorow, you ... eat a BigMac and you get 1534765359 ... does that mean BigMacs are good for your system?
Boot time is mostly bottlenecked by your HDD.
You run it at whatever timings you want... at the end of the day you will still be using PC3200 memory meaning you will still be capped at 3.2GB/s. THAT matters. And timings dont change that.
Personally I think youre placing too much emphasis on benchmarks... again with the BigMac analogy above........ Benchmarks dont mean crap in the real world. Im sure you've read my posts before but if not:
- http://www.computerforum.com/showthread.php?t=2780&highlight=timings
- http://www.computerforum.com/showthread.php?t=822&highlight=timings
Timings dont change your final performance -- you'll get better benchmark scores if you have faster (i.e., clock) memory rather than more responsive (i.e., timings) as most benchmarks people refer to deal with transfer rather than access -- now if you ARE dealing with access benchmarks (which are, btw, mostly for server configurations), you'll be using ECC memory (which comes default CAS3 as the ECC takes 1T) and the emphasis is NOT on speed but rather RELIABILITY
If you want some hard numbers i can crunch them out for you (timings vs clock etc)
Praetor said:does that mean BigMacs are good for your system?
if it actually boosts your score one point everyday...then wouldn't you say yes? i would.
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then why does it change when i go from 2.5-2-2-5 to 2.5-3-3-8? wouldn't the time difference also be controlled by the access timing changes of the RAM?
i see what you are saying from your posts "timings are the last thing to worry about on your system, because the effects of them are very minimal." but when i pay for EL memory and don't get it...its upsetting. when someone clocked 45mhz LOWER than me gets the same results i do...thats upsetting/odd. i think i;ve maxed out my overclock thus far..so now im concerned about the FINE tuning of timings/temps to the smallest degree. im not trying to be argumentative...just backing up all the sh1t i talk lol.
You havnt given enough information and the change is inconsequential, adding 3 more clock cycles to TRAS wont cause a boot time change of 10 seconds.
Time difference matters ... YES --- BUT it only matters ONCE -- the whole purpose of RAM is to access MULTIPLE times (to transfer data etc)
When you pay for EL memory -- you're supposed to loosen it up to get the higher clocks. EB memory is for "higher clocks without concern for timings", EL memory is for "higher clocks with concern for timings"
1. BigMac principle
2. See my (gentle) comment about benchmarks
By all means argue ... at the end of the day my overall comment is still "benchmarks dont mean shit except to highschoolers who have their parents buy them stuff and like to brag without knowing jack-shit-all" ... and while i'm not grouping you into that bunch ... it is important to note the BigMac "principle" of benchmarking -- the same thing happens to boottimes -- if data just so happens to be right where the head of the drive is then access time is 0ms vs your 8ms .... do it enough times and those ms add up ... but in the end, it doesnt matter because tomorow you can have a different boottime
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i see what you're saying. i just read lots of posts that go on and on about timing impritance and how to tweak your RAM timings for greater performance and all that...and get sucked into that way of thinking. i am in highskool and do liek to compare hardware...but by no means do i get FREE hardware from my parents lol. its either I buy it, or i work for it. i end up giving old stuff away lol...probly shouldnt.
They DO matter ... but usually only for tiny-transaction type of thingies (i.e., servers that have to chuck out half a billion things, all say, 512K each. Most people arent gonna be dealing with a zillion 512K files but more along the lines of 80MB chunks or what not.
And in no way was i suggesting that .... i was just painting a stereotypical picture
superflysmith
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Well I ordered my stuff a couple days ago. Unfortunatly I has to seriously downgrade my video card. My wife was freaking out over how much I was spending so I had to cut back on something. So I ended up getting the Asus Extreme AX600PRO/TD Radeon X600 XT PCI Express 128MB DDR Video Card w/TV-Out & DVI. This will have to do for a while until I can upgrade to a better one. The rest is pretty much the same.....
Intel Pentium® 4 550 Processor Prescott 3.4GHz, 800MHz FSB, Socket 775, 1MB Cache
Asus P5GDC-V Deluxe Intel 915G P4 800FSB LGA775 DDR2/DDR ATX Motherboard w/Audio, Gigabit LAN, RAID/Serial ATA
Corsair CM2X512-5400C4 512MB DDR2-667 XMS2-5400 Xtreme Performance Memory w/Black Heat Spreader
Samsung TS-H492A/WBGH DVD 16x + CDRW 52x32x52 Combo Drive w/Nero & PowerDVD Software (Black)
Samsung TS-H542A/WBCH 12X/8X Internal DVD±R/RW Drive (Black)
Seagate Barracuda 7200.7 ST3160827AS 160GB Serial ATA 7200RPM Hard Drive w/8MB Buffer
Microsoft Windows XP Professional Single Full Version OEM
Here's a new part to my order....
Kworld VS-L883D Xpert DVD Maker PCI
Well that's it. I expect it to be here by Friday and up and running by Saturday. I noticed my cdrw and dvd burner was not all that popular here, I was just looking for something that will get the job done. Praetor you said my mobo was a halfbread, I'm not totally sure what you mean by that. Is it because it takes either ddr or ddr2? If so I was not aware of a mobo that just takes ddr2, and I really wanted that.
Intel Pentium® 4 550 Processor Prescott 3.4GHz, 800MHz FSB, Socket 775, 1MB Cache
Asus P5GDC-V Deluxe Intel 915G P4 800FSB LGA775 DDR2/DDR ATX Motherboard w/Audio, Gigabit LAN, RAID/Serial ATA
Corsair CM2X512-5400C4 512MB DDR2-667 XMS2-5400 Xtreme Performance Memory w/Black Heat Spreader
Samsung TS-H492A/WBGH DVD 16x + CDRW 52x32x52 Combo Drive w/Nero & PowerDVD Software (Black)
Samsung TS-H542A/WBCH 12X/8X Internal DVD±R/RW Drive (Black)
Seagate Barracuda 7200.7 ST3160827AS 160GB Serial ATA 7200RPM Hard Drive w/8MB Buffer
Microsoft Windows XP Professional Single Full Version OEM
Here's a new part to my order....
Kworld VS-L883D Xpert DVD Maker PCI
Well that's it. I expect it to be here by Friday and up and running by Saturday. I noticed my cdrw and dvd burner was not all that popular here, I was just looking for something that will get the job done. Praetor you said my mobo was a halfbread, I'm not totally sure what you mean by that. Is it because it takes either ddr or ddr2? If so I was not aware of a mobo that just takes ddr2, and I really wanted that.
superflysmith
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Well after blowing up my original power supply and a few heat issues my computer is up and running. I have not tested it with video editing yet but it seems like it's going to do a great job.