Same old same old

because its cheap. Because its my system and I can build and rebuild it any dang way I wish. And because I really hate having open slots with nothing in them.
I know its your system and you can rebuild any way you wish, cheese, wolfe. But, I know, I dont like open slots, and 16 gb sounds cooler :p
 

wolfeking

banned
I do not care how it sounds. It can sound like a jap choking on an eggroll for all I care. I am just going to get it. I do not need a reason.
 

wolfeking

banned
this conversation was just fine between Vista, Claptonman and I. Your input was not necessary at all. If you had freaking read the thread instead of just the last posts then you would know why. Its on page 2 iirc.
Make condescending moves and I will treat you in a condescending manor.
 

wolfeking

banned
CAN IT WITH THE CHEESE.

And it is not just you. I have about had it with the stupid questions and bad advice around here. Its getting real dang old real dang quick.

If you are trying to help, then try actually saying something helpful instead of asking questions that were already answered on page 1.

And I probably am going to get the extra memory just to have it. I have not a clue what I can do to use 16GB but its there if necessary, right?
16GB is good for stuff like virtual machines and stuff that eat RAM, I don't know if you use VMs or not though? Anyway, it's there if you need it as you said.
And I will probably do a VM of React OS and A few Linuxes to see what I can find to Play nice with AMD cards and finish updating the guide. So at most maybe 8GB of RAM to that, leaving 12 for other things.
Yeah if you wanna do virtual machines, 16GB is the way forward. :) I have 16GB of RAM for that reason.
 
CAN IT WITH THE CHEESE.

And it is not just you. I have about had it with the stupid questions and bad advice around here. Its getting real dang old real dang quick.

If you are trying to help, then try actually saying something helpful instead of asking questions that were already answered on page 1.
Alright, Im genuinely sorry. *Handshake*
 

wolfeking

banned
Okay, I could not fetch anything this month, I had other things to get that I did not think I needed so fast. Anyway, I really need some advice on a list to get things in july. I am going to put a limit budget of 750 as I need to save money for Band fees and so other things, 250 should cover it, should.

Anyway, what i need are:
2 GPUs (maybe 1)
3570k
cooler
a cheap case
some RAM (DDR3, don't go over 1066 unless it is priced cheaper, will explain below)
A PSU, modular and plenty powerful, maybe 750 or greater.
SATA 2 SSD around 80GB or more

okay, my plan is to keep the price down where possible. I am assembling my Celeron and a Nvidia GPU into a FAH machine. I was thinking maybe a 9800GX2 or something like that. really anything that can run on my OCZ600 watt. It will be running on a H61 motherboard that only supports up to 1066 RAM, so thats why I don't want to spend much on it. Running XP on a 80GB Hatachi hard drive.
Updating current setup to a 3570k and better GPU, thinking the best I can get without going over budget.
 

spirit

Moderator
Staff member
So hang on you're wanting to build an entirely new system and use your current desktop exclusively for folding, right?
 

wolfeking

banned
no. I want to use my backup board, and the Celeron and OCZ supply with a Nvidia card to fold. And update my current system to 3570k and better stuff.
Wait, I am confusing me here, let me try again.

System FAH
needs:
Case (cheap ATX)
RAM (maxes at 1066 speeds)
GPU (Nvidia with CUDA)

Has:
CPU (G530)
motherboard (H61DE/S3)
cooler (stock to the CPU)
PSU (modstream pro 600 watt)
HDD (80 GB Hatachi 7200 RPM)
OS (XP SP3)

system CM1
Needs:
3570k
cooler
maybe updated GPU
PSU (modular is must, 750 watts is wanted)

Has:
Case (HAF 912)
RAM (DDR3-1600 1.6 volts)
Motherboard (Z77 extreme 4)
Hard drive (1TB Seagate)
DVD drive (will use to load windows to new system)

And need a 80+ GB SSD for the D630 to keep it running cooler. I am pulling its 7200 ROM for teh FAH machine.
 

spirit

Moderator
Staff member
Ah ok sorry my bad, I see now. I'm tired as hell so I'm off to bed now, but I'll give you some advice/thoughts tomorrow.
 

wolfeking

banned
okay, so here is what I am looking at as of now.

FAH:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820576001
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817812011
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811233073
and possibly a GTX460 or the like.

CM1:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116504
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835103065
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139029 ?

and got http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833166034 on the list too. Mainly so I can move the computers around and only have to worry about the big 25' ethernet cable around.

Everything listed here cost 498.42 so that leaves 251.58 for graphics cards. A GTX460 to fold would be ~$120. So I could very well get a GTX560ti or a GTX480 and keep the 4870 till august and get a GTX670 then.

okay, looking at
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130759
or
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130623
 

jonnyp11

New Member
anandtech is down right now so i can't get numbers for the gpus, but i'd think a 560ti wouldn't be far behind a 480 since the 560 beats the 470, and a 560ti would be easier to get a second of in a year or so to sli with, which is why i'd think about taking it, but the higher vram and better performance i think the 480 would have would make me want it. tough choice but i think 480 might be the better.
 

wolfeking

banned
What is fah and cm1?
Edit: fah is [email protected], right? You could also use it for bitcoins. What is cm? Is that your build?
As said FAH is folding at Home. Not using it for bitcoins, mining is useless if you want to do it yourself. CF6990s would own everything and still net you very little yourself.
CM as said is Cooler Master 1. that is what I call my machine. Its simplier that way. Just like the D630 is "small dell" and the M90 is "big dell". Its easier that way.

anandtech is down right now so i can't get numbers for the gpus, but i'd think a 560ti wouldn't be far behind a 480 since the 560 beats the 470, and a 560ti would be easier to get a second of in a year or so to sli with, which is why i'd think about taking it, but the higher vram and better performance i think the 480 would have would make me want it. tough choice but i think 480 might be the better.
the 480 is 38% better at Memory bandwidth and 28% better at pixel rate (resolution filling basically) the 560ti is 47% less power hungry and 38% better at texture filtering. I am mainly looking to fold on it, so none of this helps me. I think the 480 would be stronger at that because of more cores. But just guessing.
 

spirit

Moderator
Staff member
OK Wolfe here are my thoughts.

The FAH system looks like an OK low-end build. Are you going to get another one of those 2GB modules to make 4GB? I think you should really, because then you'd be running in dual-channel and if you ever upgraded to a newer operating system in the future, 4GB wouid be better. I know XP can only use around 3.25GB of RAM, but I'd say get another 2GB DIMM.

The case and the SATA drive bay adapter looks fine too.

Folding runs better on NVIDIA cards than it does on ATI/AMD cards doesn't it? If so, I'd say yeah a GTX 460 would be a good choice if you can get one cheap, or even a GTS 450. I used to have a GTS 450, it was a decent card for the money.

The upgrades for the CM system look just fine to me. Great processor and cooler you've chosen there - if you want to overclock the 3570K it should be pretty easy. As far as graphics cards are concerned, the 480 is faster than a 560 Ti (see here http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/309?vs=330) but remember that it is longer (shouldn't be an issue for your case though) and sometimes it runs hotter, so make sure your case is sufficiently cooled which I'm sure it will be.
 

wolfeking

banned
maybe I need to clear things up. If I get a card in July, it will be for folding only. I do not think it is worth it to stay on the low end if I can get something bigger.

I will just run it in single channel mode. It will not affect the system at all, and I will not e able to use any more memory than that with a 1GB or 1280MB video card, and folding take little memory anyway.

The AMD client does not work at all, and I have seen it from my 4870, and a couple of others say it don't work on the 6870 either. This makes me think that it is not AMD friendly, like Linux.
 

spirit

Moderator
Staff member
wolfeking said:
If I get a card in July, it will be for folding only. I do not think it is worth it to stay on the low end if I can get something bigger.
OK then well grab a 460 or a 470 for folding on the FAH machine and then a 480 for your CM build.
 
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