Semprons N' XP's

Seth

Seth

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Hey, just wonderig with Athlon XP's having been discontinued for so long wouldn't Semprons be better performers in both office work and gaming now? Particuarly as Semprons are in socket 754 not A like the XP's?
 
not necessarily. semprons are slower cores, but sometimes clock higher. it depends on which one, and for what interface you get it for. personally i would rather an athlon XP at 2ghz than a sempron at 2.2ghz. then again, sempron's will be compatible with pci-e and such, but theyre mostly the new aged (now 64-bit) budget processors... mostly for managed computers in a network, or a home computer that's not used for gaming.
btw nice pic, haha ATI the way its meant to be played. i like both brands :)
 
i could say the same bout ur pic.. i like both aswell. But back on topic wouldn't Semprons be better now because of new technologies and such coming out at the moment and XP's are built on old ones...
 
Don't Semprons have the same cache sizes as XP's? I thought I'd seen somewhere that some Semprons are roughly equal to some older XP's, performance-wise.
Tom
 
Just considering performance I think the XP's are better. Higher cache goes to the XP line, the Barton core had 512KB L2 cache.

The Sempron definetly has more support (someone mentioned SLi) and is on a newer socket, but that doesn't make the CPU any faster. It just means it's better for today's computers as far as support and compatibility goes.

If overclocking were added in the mix I'd rather have my old XP-M 2600+ Barton and a decent Socket462 mobo and cooling. We'd be looking @ ~2.8GHz, maybe 280FSB with a volt mod and able RAM :P
 
fade2green514 said:
personally i would rather an athlon XP at 2ghz than a sempron at 2.2ghz.
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So according to what you are saying, you would rather have a 2GHz Athlon XP Palomino or Thoroughbred than a 2.2GHz Sempron?

You need to specifiy which Athlon XP core you are talking about.
 
sempron != athlon XP.
thats like comparing a pentium 4 chip to a celeron... pentium 4 is just better.
they name it differently on purpose.
i don't have alot of experience with Athlon XP's, but my point is that it's a better processor than a sempron at the same frequency. then again, most people don't use 100% of the processor in their computer anyways, so you may want a sempron just because it'll support newer technologies like SATA2 or pci-express.
 
fade2green514 said:
sempron != athlon XP.
thats like comparing a pentium 4 chip to a celeron... pentium 4 is just better.
they name it differently on purpose.
i don't have alot of experience with Athlon XP's, but my point is that it's a better processor than a sempron at the same frequency. then again, most people don't use 100% of the processor in their computer anyways, so you may want a sempron just because it'll support newer technologies like SATA2 or pci-express.
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Its not that far apart, your analogy would be like an Athlon 64 vs a Sempron.

and what do you mean no one uses 100% of their cpu? Whenever you game your using very close to 100%. And when your encoding a DVD its at 100%.
 
fade2green514 said:
sempron != athlon XP.
thats like comparing a pentium 4 chip to a celeron... pentium 4 is just better.
they name it differently on purpose.
i don't have alot of experience with Athlon XP's, but my point is that it's a better processor than a sempron at the same frequency. then again, most people don't use 100% of the processor in their computer anyways, so you may want a sempron just because it'll support newer technologies like SATA2 or pci-express.
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Ok, so let's say we have an Athlon XP 2000+ Palomino ([email protected]) and a Sempron 2400+ Thoroughbred (1667@166x10).

Considering these two processors have the same amount of L2 cache (which they do, 256k), the Sempron 2400+ would clearly win, due to the FSB advantage over the Athlon XP 2000+. Not to mention that the Sempron 2400+ runs cooler than the Athlon XP 2000+.

But then again, when compared to a Barton core, the Athlon XP wins, hands down.

That's why you can't just say that the Athlon XP overall is a better chip, when it is not, in some cases.
 
Oh yeah, and fade2green514, who would want to buy ram that only goes at 725MB/s (5800/8). If you didn't get my sarcasm, Gbps (as stated in your profile) is Gigabits per second, not Gigabytes per second (GB/s) which it should be.
 
Ok so we got alot into caches and so on but my main idea was that semprons (new ones atleast) would kill the XP's in every aspect due to their new technologies (754 and slie etc..)!!! it stands to reason that new CPU's will be better than older ones and the XP's have been a discontinued product for quite some time now!
 
Heya

The Semprons for socket 754 come in two flavours. They are 64bit and 32bit versions available. The 64bit Semprons are basically A64s with less cache and perform much better than the Athlon XPs. However, socket A Semprons are basically Thoroughbred B Athlon XPs ;) Socket 754 32bit semprons will still perform better than the XPs. However if you can, get a Sempron 64 :)

JAN :D
 
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Socket 754 32bit semprons will still perform better than the XPs. However if you can, get a Sempron 64 :)

JAN :D[/quote]

Dont know about that! I have a Athlon XP 3000+ 462 and a buddy has a 754 Sempron 3100+ 32 bit, we have the same amount and size of ram, same size harddrive, but I have a better video card and mine seems faster in just about anything you do. The 754 32 bit Sempron 3100+ runs at 1.8ghz and my Athlon 462 3000+ runs at 2.167ghz, I dont think the 754s better memory controller makes up for the allmost 400 mhz losss in the cpu speed, plus the Athlon XP 3000+ has 512 of L2
 
So basicly the 64 bit Semprons are much better than the Xp's.. thats what i wanted to know.. So how do Sempron 64's shape up in the gaming zone?
 
Heya

I have not seen any tests in particular but my friend has a socket 754 Sempron 64 OC'D to 2.7Ghz and it's a beast of a CPU. The smaller cache does not mean much when clocked at such high speeds. For your info, he has the DFI Infinity mobo for socket 754. If you are willing to consider OC'ing, it would be a very good performer and certainly a great bang for the buck! Just for comparison, with my Athlon 64 3000+ clocked @ 2.6Ghz, I get the same SUPERPI results as he does @ 2.7Ghz so there is very little performance difference (certainly less than we are made to believe).

JAN :D
 
jancz3rt said:
However, socket A Semprons are basically Thoroughbred B Athlon XPs ;)
JAN :D
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THAT was what I was trying to say but could not remember exactly which versions I had in mind. Thank you.
Tom
 
So if Semprons performe just about aswell as 64's (atleast when OC'ed) but are around $200 cheaper that isnt much insentive to go Athlon 64...atlest on my budget!
 
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