Steam comes to the Apple platform

Archangel said:
Lets just all admit it. true gamers are a bunch of weirdo's who take games waaayy too serious.
(just like soccer hooligans take their game way to serious. altough, i dont see a bunch of WoW fans beating the crap out of eachother jsut because they play on different sides. :P )

Mac's are quality machines, no doubt there. (obiously with their pricetag they better be! ) I'm curious how well they will perform with games really.

I also have to admit tough, I really like Windows 7 so far. Much, much better than Vista.
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True gamers will hop on a game online, call them self uber taco face, talk about how they are on drugs, and they are pro and you are noob, and how awesome they are at life.....

True gamers probably have no life.....

I play games myself, so I am not knocking it, but some people who live to play games I think have some social issues.
 
Does this mean...I can download games to my iPod...and then transfer them to my computer, and then install them on my computer?!
 
tlarkin said:
but some people who live to play games I think have some social issues.
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hmm im a gamer,and i have mental issues :D

but as for the topic,shame apple stuff will continue to be so damn expensive,Id love a mac myself...the new imac with the i5 processor infact....but its just too much :cool:
 
hackapelite said:
I figured, if they're porting it over to Mac it's using OpenGL and other mostly open-source jazz (I know of no proprietary gaming APIs or anything like that on Macs) that's already available on Linux, and since Mac itself is Unix-based... it would take nowhere near the effort.

Although, I suppose you're going to have hard time convincing server admins and all mini-Stallmans out there that Steam coming to Linux would be a good thing :/
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This is exactly what I was thinking. If Valve doesn't do it first, someone in the Linux community will probably figure it out. If they can come up with something as awesome as WINE, they can do this, though admittedly WINE has a much larger user base.
 
I think part of the reason is, Linux is open source and non commercial. So, it probably lacks a lot of APIs for things like DRM, where OS X and Windows are very commercially used and probably have some sort of DRM API that Steam can use to ensure people are paying for proper content.

Remember, it is all about business at times. WINE, just runs the Windows version of the App in Linux. There are a lot of issues with Steam and WINE from what I have read. Valve, would have to code a native running app for Steam in Linux if they wanted it to work.
 
That depends, really. It's far more commercial than some people seem to think, even though the source is open - however, companies like Canonical and Novell seem to have no problem with adding binary/proprietary stuff to their OS and even go against the idea of FOSS and would probably be more than happy to jump on a DRM for Linux bandwagon.

Speculation, of course...
 
hackapelite said:
That depends, really. It's far more commercial than some people seem to think, even though the source is open - however, companies like Canonical and Novell seem to have no problem with adding binary/proprietary stuff to their OS and even go against the idea of FOSS and would probably be more than happy to jump on a DRM for Linux bandwagon.

Speculation, of course...
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Sure, but end users aren't using those products, they are designed for enterprise usage. Open SuSe is nothing like SuSe Enterprise Desktop. However, if the gaming industry ported all games to Linux I'd ditch Windows in a heart beat, no in a nano second.
 
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Archangel said:
Mac's are quality machines, no doubt there. (obiously with their pricetag they better be! ) I'm curious how well they will perform with games really.

I also have to admit tough, I really like Windows 7 so far. Much, much better than Vista.
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I was about to jump to apples defense about the price (of a mac pro), but thought I'd quickly check their website. Christ almighty they've shot up! I paid just under £1200 for my 1st gen dual processor mac pro - 3.5 years later it's nearly twice that... I'm sure the pounds demise is partly at fault, but still... 2 Intel xeons cost about £900 alone when I bought it - the 1st gen was a bit of a bargin.

Windows 7 seems very solid so far - it certainly feels much more of a competitor in terms of quality to osx now. I like it also.
 
PunterCam said:
Windows 7 seems very solid so far - it certainly feels much more of a competitor in terms of quality to osx now. I like it also.
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I just really hate the registry. I am trying to debug virtual box and have an open ticket with the dev team and I had to download a 700mb ISO from MS to enable debugging, then I have to go into the registry and tweak like 3 keys, and create one if one of them is not already present.

Why can't MS go self contained apps with config files and property lists like every other freaking OS out there?

I don't mind Windows when using it, but I really don't like doing any advanced work with it, and the lack of a robust command line drives me insane. Windows just feels ultra bloated when I start digging around under the hood. Surfing the web, playing games, or running basic apps feels like almost any other OS, and I think that most of them "feel" the same with their minor differences. However, getting into the more techy stuff, Windows just goes all over the damn place, and really for no good reason that I can think of. Other than maybe to include more DRM or to sneak stuff in with out power users grasping it. No idea.

As for hardware, if you were to still go out and price a Dell or a Sun Spark station with the same dual Xeons, they are just as expensive if not more than the Mac Pro. Xeons processors still sell for around or even over $1,000 each, so two of them would be right around $2,000 just for the processors.
 
Well this if nothing else will annoy some of the serious Windows fanboys, although I'm interested to see if VALVe (Why do they make it like that?!) keep the same file structure than I'm used to, cos I'm an idiot and change is baaaaaad.
 
Aastii said:
when I first heard this, the day they announced it incidentally, my thought was, so what
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Improves the economy :P I wouldn't be surprised if this spurs a larger market for mac video cards.


...of course, capitalism sucks but I won't get into that here.
 
epidemik said:
Improves the economy :P I wouldn't be surprised if this spurs a larger market for mac video cards.


...of course, capitalism sucks but I won't get into that here.
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If the market does become larger, they will be both mac and windows compatible, and as companies will be making high end cards for both, the prices will be higher I'd have thought, because those with macs that want to play games will only have the option of upgrading, because the other option would be getting a full new mac, so they have them bent over a barrel
 
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