Steve Jobs or Bill Gates? I want your opinion!!

Who is the better innovator? Steve Jobs or Bill Gates?

  • Steve Jobs

    Votes: 13 25.0%
  • Bill Gates

    Votes: 35 67.3%
  • These guys aren't innovators!

    Votes: 4 7.7%

  • Total voters
    52
well if it is take a read of this, cracking article :D

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/story//0,,2006031,00.html

I hate Macs

Charlie Brooker
Monday February 5, 2007
The Guardian

Unless you have been walking around with your eyes closed, and your head encased in a block of concrete, with a blindfold tied round it, in the dark - unless you have been doing that, you surely can't have failed to notice the current Apple Macintosh campaign starring David Mitchell and Robert Webb, which has taken over magazines, newspapers and the internet in a series of brutal coordinated attacks aimed at causing massive loss of resistance. While I don't have anything against shameless promotion per se (after all, within these very brackets I'm promoting my own BBC4 show, which starts tonight at 10pm), there is something infuriating about this particular blitz. In the ads, Webb plays a Mac while Mitchell adopts the mantle of a PC. We know this because they say so right at the start of the ad.

"Hello, I'm a Mac," says Webb.

"And I'm a PC," adds Mitchell.

They then perform a small comic vignette aimed at highlighting the differences between the two computers. So in one, the PC has a "nasty virus" that makes him sneeze like a plague victim; in another, he keeps freezing up and having to reboot. This is a subtle way of saying PCs are unreliable. Mitchell, incidentally, is wearing a nerdy, conservative suit throughout, while Webb is dressed in laid-back contemporary casual wear. This is a subtle way of saying Macs are cool.

The ads are adapted from a near-identical American campaign - the only difference is the use of Mitchell and Webb. They are a logical choice in one sense (everyone likes them), but a curious choice in another, since they are best known for the television series Peep Show - probably the best sitcom of the past five years - in which Mitchell plays a repressed, neurotic underdog, and Webb plays a selfish, self-regarding poseur. So when you see the ads, you think, "PCs are a bit rubbish yet ultimately lovable, whereas Macs are just smug, preening tossers." In other words, it is a devastatingly accurate campaign.

I hate Macs. I have always hated Macs. I hate people who use Macs. I even hate people who don't use Macs but sometimes wish they did. Macs are glorified Fisher-Price activity centres for adults; computers for scaredy cats too nervous to learn how proper computers work; computers for people who earnestly believe in feng shui.

PCs are the ramshackle computers of the people. You can build your own from scratch, then customise it into oblivion. Sometimes you have to slap it to make it work properly, just like the Tardis (Doctor Who, incidentally, would definitely use a PC). PCs have charm; Macs ooze pretension. When I sit down to use a Mac, the first thing I think is, "I hate Macs", and then I think, "Why has this rubbish aspirational ornament only got one mouse button?" Losing that second mouse button feels like losing a limb. If the ads were really honest, Webb would be standing there with one arm, struggling to open a packet of peanuts while Mitchell effortlessly tore his apart with both hands. But then, if the ads were really honest, Webb would be dressed in unbelievably po-faced avant-garde clothing with a gigantic glowing apple on his back. And instead of conducting a proper conversation, he would be repeatedly congratulating himself for looking so cool, and banging on about how he was going to use his new laptop to write a novel, without ever getting round to doing it, like a mediocre idiot.

Cue 10 years of nasal bleating from Mac-likers who profess to like Macs not because they are fashionable, but because "they are just better". Mac owners often sneer that kind of defence back at you when you mock their silly, posturing contraptions, because in doing so, you have inadvertently put your finger on the dark fear haunting their feeble, quivering soul - that in some sense, they are a superficial semi-person assembled from packaging; an infinitely sad, second-rate replicant who doesn't really know what they are doing here, but feels vaguely significant and creative each time they gaze at their sleek designer machine. And the more deftly constructed and wittily argued their defence, the more terrified and wounded they secretly are.

Aside from crowing about sartorial differences, the adverts also make a big deal about PCs being associated with "work stuff" (Boo! Offices! Boo!), as opposed to Macs, which are apparently better at "fun stuff". How insecure is that? And how inaccurate? Better at "fun stuff", my arse. The only way to have fun with a Mac is to poke its insufferable owner in the eye. For proof, stroll into any decent games shop and cast your eye over the exhaustive range of cutting-edge computer games available exclusively for the PC, then compare that with the sort of rubbish you get on the Mac. Myst, the most pompous and boring videogame of all time, a plodding, dismal "adventure" in which you wandered around solving tedious puzzles in a rubbish magic kingdom apparently modelled on pretentious album covers, originated on the Mac in 1993. That same year, the first shoot-'em-up game, Doom, was released on the PC. This tells you all you will ever need to know about the Mac's relationship with "fun".

Ultimately the campaign's biggest flaw is that it perpetuates the notion that consumers somehow "define themselves" with the technology they choose. If you truly believe you need to pick a mobile phone that "says something" about your personality, don't bother. You don't have a personality. A mental illness, maybe - but not a personality. Of course, that hasn't stopped me slagging off Mac owners, with a series of sweeping generalisations, for the past 900 words, but that is what the ads do to PCs. Besides, that's what we PC owners are like - unreliable, idiosyncratic and gleefully unfair. And if you'll excuse me now, I feel an unexpected crash coming.

This week: Charlie watched some episodes of Larry Sanders (on his PC). He played the customised Fawlty Towers map for Counterstrike (on his PC). He listened to the Windows startup jingle every 10 minutes as his PC repeatedly rebooted itself.
 
I voted for Bill Gates because i really do think that microsoft has revolutionised the world. BTW good find jimmymac.
 
jimmymac-

that is the exact reason why i hate when ignorant people write articles about technology. The guy obviously just has a biased opinion, which is fine, everyone is entitled to their opinion, but he offers no facts or real world proof when talking about Macs.

I voted for steve jobs for several reasons. The itunes music store has completely revolutionized digital music sales. It is the first legal step in downloading music and it has done a lot for everyone, including apple. Also now that we are able to download movies and tv shows off of itunes makes it even better IMO. Soon, maybe the cable and dish TV companies will catch on to this and allow a pay per channel or allow shows to be streamed, so you never have to watch it at a set time. DVR is a nice thing, but there is honestly no need for it when you can just stream whatever you want to watch. I think that Jobs has kind of pushed that market forward. There are still dinosaurs who run those industries and they are scared of change, and scared they will lose their revenue. The Woz man should get more credit, he is a huge innovator of personal computers. In fact, Apple was the first company that even designed home computers. IBM was like, "why in the hell would anyone want a personal computer at home?"

Gates, dropped out of college and started his software company, and yeah sure he did some things but really he only worked for a very short period of his life. Once he purchased DOS and then turned it into what it is (well he didn't, his engineers did) he pretty much never had to work another day in his life. Plus the CEO of MS, steve ballmer is a complete and total tool, I hate that guy. Vista is also a huge disappointment considering it was being developed for over 6 years, way to screw the pooch on that one MS.

I am not going to say who did what first, I am going to compare what each of those people is doing now. Apple as of right now is WAY more innovative than MS, and that is what this topic is really about.

I mean come on, the Zune wasn't even compatible with windows vista when it was released, what does that tell you about quality control over at MS
 
jimmymac-

that is the exact reason why i hate when ignorant people write articles about technology. The guy obviously just has a biased opinion, which is fine, everyone is entitled to their opinion, but he offers no facts or real world proof when talking about Macs.

I voted for steve jobs for several reasons. The itunes music store has completely revolutionized digital music sales. It is the first legal step in downloading music and it has done a lot for everyone, including apple. Also now that we are able to download movies and tv shows off of itunes makes it even better IMO. Soon, maybe the cable and dish TV companies will catch on to this and allow a pay per channel or allow shows to be streamed, so you never have to watch it at a set time. DVR is a nice thing, but there is honestly no need for it when you can just stream whatever you want to watch. I think that Jobs has kind of pushed that market forward. There are still dinosaurs who run those industries and they are scared of change, and scared they will lose their revenue. The Woz man should get more credit, he is a huge innovator of personal computers. In fact, Apple was the first company that even designed home computers. IBM was like, "why in the hell would anyone want a personal computer at home?"

Gates, dropped out of college and started his software company, and yeah sure he did some things but really he only worked for a very short period of his life. Once he purchased DOS and then turned it into what it is (well he didn't, his engineers did) he pretty much never had to work another day in his life. Plus the CEO of MS, steve ballmer is a complete and total tool, I hate that guy. Vista is also a huge disappointment considering it was being developed for over 6 years, way to screw the pooch on that one MS.

I am not going to say who did what first, I am going to compare what each of those people is doing now. Apple as of right now is WAY more innovative than MS, and that is what this topic is really about.

I mean come on, the Zune wasn't even compatible with windows vista when it was released, what does that tell you about quality control over at MS

I agree entirely.
 
1) Steve Wozniak did create the first Apple computers
2) Steve Jobs stole the GUI and mouse from Xerox,
Well Xerox just gave it to them because they
didnt see it as being needed
3) Bill Gates bought the his first version of Dos
4) Bill Gates stole the GUI and mouse from Steve Jobs
5) Steve Jobs was a LSD head and a prick that used his friends
and employees for his own fame he never invented anything.

They were both just business men but Gates was more hands on
in the computer revolution

I would vote for Steve Wozniak or Bill Gates,
Steve Jobs sould not even be a option IMO.

with all that said Bill Gates FTW.
 
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1) Steve Wozniak did create the first Apple computers
2) Steve Jobs stole the GUI and mouse from Xerox,
Well Xerox just gave it to them because they
didnt see it as being needed
3) Bill Gates bought the his first version of Dos
4) Bill Gates stole the GUI and mouse from Steve Jobs
5) Steve Jobs was a LSD head and a prick that used his friends
and employees for his own fame he never invented anything.

They were both just business men but Gates was more hands on
in the computer revolution

I would vote for Steve Wozniak or Bill Gates,
Steve Jobs sould not even be a option IMO.

with all that said Bill Gates FTW.

I would of said that Bill Gates should not be an option, but never mind that. Did you read tlarkin's post?

~Jordan
 
I would of said that Bill Gates should not be an option, but never mind that. Did you read tlarkin's post?

~Jordan


Yea I did, I read all the post you cant compare the Zune it is still 1st gen,
1st Gen Ipods sucked.
and yea I dont own a Mac and I never will, however I do own a Ipod
not by choice and a Zune and I like the Zune much better.

Vista, sure its full of bugs but so is every new OS release. programming a OS for millions to use it is impossible to get all the bugs out before release there is no way to have quality assurance that will test all the software that users will try to run and all the stuff users will try to do.

I dont like Mac and I dont like Steve Jobs and like I said they are just bussiness men. they both stole what made them who they are.

the only one I would vote for would have been Wozniak but he was not in the list.
 
okay here is where quality control fails on MS products

6 years of development, and vista breaks all kinds of existing compatibility with tons of different technologies, driver support sucked, boot time and installer take longer, and there is NO performance increase at all over running windows XP. Really there is no reason to upgrade, plus vistas bulk of features are for IT people not for the end users, just look at what they added.

The zune is too huge and bulky for my taste, if I buy a mp3 player now it would be a nano, because of solid state and size.

1st gen ipods did not have the same issues the zune has had, you can google it to death, here is part of the wiki page

The Electronic Frontier Foundation, which opposes DRM, wrote, "Microsoft's Zune will not play protected Windows Media Audio and Video purchased or 'rented' from Napster 2.0, Rhapsody, Yahoo! Unlimited, Movielink, Cinemanow, iTunes, or any other online media service. The Zune will not even play content previously purchased from Microsoft's own MSN Music service. That's right — the media that Microsoft promised would Play For Sure doesn't even play on Microsoft's own device."[65] The EFF calls this "a stark example of DRM under the DMCA giving customers a raw deal."[66]

DRM critics say Zune's wireless-transfer policy is restrictive and unfair. They claim the Zune is more restrictive than the face value of this common phrase — "three days or three plays whichever comes first."[67][68][69] Because among other things:

Yeah, you know maybe since you are so used to having tons of bugs every major app, OS , or device release you just accept it. Most people do. I have to say that both on my Linux machine and my Mac I have way less bugs and way less problems. The only exception is that open source linux has compatibility issues with enterprise products at times, but as far as end user goes, no problem. I expect something to work when I fork over money for it.

here go some links for your reading pleasure

http://www.eff.org/deeplinks/archives/004910.php

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/6120272.stm

http://news.com.com/Study+Zune+fails+to+crack+top+10+in+sales/2100-1041_3-6147422.html

http://www.roughlydrafted.com/RD/RDM.Tech.Q1.07/FFE4A8E2-9816-4344-9FB0-61BED246674C.html

http://www.engadget.com/2006/11/15/zune-review/

and my personal favorite

http://www.zunecomplaints.net/
 
I have not had one problem with my zune, and this is personal opinion topic and that is my opinion.

beside this is not about the products its about the people and Jobs is a Prick and Gates is a wessal

I dont think either gates or jobs have much say on what products the company puts out these days
that would be a topic on Microsoft and Apple.
 
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I am talking about the existing technologies and services in a zune versus an iPod. the ITMS is the best online service so far that I can find to purchase digital content for your portable media player. The zune lacks a lot of features and therefore, my opinion on the matter is that Apple is way more innovative in that market. Now, that the iPhone is coming out, I am willing to bet you will see iPods running that imbeded version of OS X they designed for it on their next generation. Though, I do think the iPhone lacks some features for the price tag so I won't be getting one.

I never said you weren't entitled to your own opinion, I am just stating some facts that support mine.
 
man Bill really f**ked up big time on a lot, and the other guy just makes stuff that...well, i really don't care to use. Bill is the winner for me. Great job **** head, you OS may crash like a rock through a window, but you will can piece it all back together....after about 1000 updates....:D :P
 
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