Thermal compound burn in + time

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haroldpartridge

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Hello, I have taken advice in a previous thread and re-applied my thermal compound although it still seems that the computer overheats and shuts down, I have cleaned the surface taken all the old paste off and re-applied. I dont have any idea why it still seems horribly bad - do I need to "burn it in"? Can I not apply thermal compound then play counter-strike immediately without it shutting down or do I need to do this burn in process for a week before I can.

Thanks for the answers.
 
What thermal compound are you using? If you are applying Artic Silver 5 you first run the system for only about 3 to 4hrs. and shut it down overnight. The temps will remain high over the next 2-3days until the bonding action starts to take effect. Usually it's final after about two weeks of use while temps will drop before that amount of time. It's best to keep it running for several hours a day with light loads for the first few days.
 
thanks lots for that help - yes it is a similar type of silver compound - akasa not as5 ok now i know not to strain it after application - btw what happens if you do? is this why after straining it once before this burn in period it seems to just mess up bigtime?
 
Even without the burn in time it should not be overheating and shuting down. Even after burn in there not but just a few degrees temps cooler, even Artic Silver only claims 2 to 5 degrees cooler. Unless you put to much compound on it and its like a layer between the two. Your only suppost to use about the same amount of a grain of rice and spread it as thin as possible.
 
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Ok when we talk thin are we talking super super super thin as in slightly thinner than a piece of paper - i could just be putting too much on
 
Rice sized in middle thats it. Unless your processor is an older AMD that makes tons of heat off an stock HSF...
 
As thin as paper or thinner is best.

Along with the information you provided in the other thread i'm thinking you may have a faulty chip. You can RMA it, right?
 
haroldpartridge said:
thanks lots for that help - yes it is a similar type of silver compound - akasa not as5 ok now i know not to strain it after application - btw what happens if you do? is this why after straining it once before this burn in period it seems to just mess up bigtime?
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During that first 24-72hrs. of use the temps will climb without question. With AS5 or any other good thermal paste you have to take this into mind and watch the remps. That's common sense there. One thing found fast when first putting in the current board, cpu, and memory into the last case was a lack of air flow actually saw board temps end up higher then the cpu's.

The 44-46C was seen even with a Zalman CNPS 9500 sitting on it until the two 80mm fanned case was replaced with one seeing a 140mm front intake, 120mm rear, and two 120s mounted on the side cover. The board dropped from 48C to 31C immediately! The cpu then saw 33C idle. So it wasn't the paste used, how much applied, or what make and model cooler used.
 
PC eye said:
The 44-46C was seen even with a Zalman CNPS 9500 sitting on it until the two 80mm fanned case was replaced with one seeing a 140mm front intake, 120mm rear, and two 120s mounted on the side cover. The board dropped from 48C to 31C immediately! The cpu then saw 33C idle. So it wasn't the paste used, how much applied, or what make and model cooler used.
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Man you got something going on there, I,ve built many single core Athlon 64s up through the 4000, think you said you had a 3400, with no case fans and using stock coolers and compound and even silicone compound and always have idle temps around 32 to 35. With a single core and all the fans and CPU cooler you claim you have it should run alot cooler than that!
 
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Man you got something going on there, I,ve built many single core Athlon 64s up through the 4000, think you said you had a 3400, with no case fans and using stock coolers and compound and even silicone compound and always have idle temps around 32 to 35. With a single core and all the fans and CPU cooler you claim you have it should run alot cooler than that!
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When first applying any thermal paste the initial temps are going to be well in the 50s and higher. This is why the common recommendation is to only run a system for some 3-4hrs. and shut it down for several to allow the bonding process to begin then. Apparently you never watched the actual temps to see that for yourself.
 
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When first applying any thermal paste the initial temps are going to be well in the 50s and higher.
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Is that what you think (well in the 50s and higher) for a Athlon 64, you got to be joking! I,ve never ever had one run that hot. As many computers that I have built and you think I am going to fall for that. Thats insane, your doing something (bad) wrong or just plain dont know what your doing. I mean really, you think that just because its the break in its suppost to run that hot. Do you work on other people computers? (God I hope not)
 
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Is that what you think (well in the 50s and higher) for a Athlon 64, you got to be joking! I,ve never ever had one run that hot. As many computers that I have built and you think I am going to fall for that. Thats insane, your doing something (bad) wrong or just plain dont know what your doing. I mean really, you think that just because its the break in its suppost to run that hot. Do you work on other people computers? (God I hope not)
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No that''s what's called fact not fiction! When replacing the board in the old case before moving everything into the Areo Cool model in use since the temps were seen much higher since that was a fresh application. Within a few days the temps dropped as expected. The old case certainly didn't help with out a front intake or even vents on front or side of case there.

After a year's time the cpu sees 36C after nearly running 18hrs. straight with a load added to that. People come to me to assemble their cases since I always see working results. When you first apply any compound you can never expect low temps for at least the first few days. Most will take upto two weeks at time to see all bonding completed. By then temps have already dropped well within the normal operating range.
 
I dont know what your doing wrong, putting way to much or what or just making thing up as you go, but 50 and higher idle with new compound, thats (way) to hot. You need to rethink how your applying your compound or installing heatsinks. Whatever floats your boat or should I say sinks it.
 
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PC eye said:
No that''s what's called fact not fiction! When replacing the board in the old case before moving everything into the Areo Cool model in use since the temps were seen much higher since that was a fresh application. Within a few days the temps dropped as expected. The old case certainly didn't help with out a front intake or even vents on front or side of case there.

After a year's time the cpu sees 36C after nearly running 18hrs. straight with a load added to that. People come to me to assemble their cases since I always see working results. When you first apply any compound you can never expect low temps for at least the first few days. Most will take upto two weeks at time to see all bonding completed. By then temps have already dropped well within the normal operating range.
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I'll agree with PC eye here. ;) I've got a single core Athlon with a new coat of thermal paste and a better heatsink and its still running over 50* full load. We'll see over the next couple of days if it improves...
 
Impulse666 said:
I'll agree with PC eye here. ;) I've got a single core Athlon with a new coat of thermal paste and a better heatsink and its still running over 50* full load. We'll see over the next couple of days if it improves...
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and its still running over 50* (full load) He is sayin (over 50) at idle! All of the single core 754-939 and AM2 I have built run in the mid to upper 30s at first then drop to about 32 after about 2 days. My 5000 runs at about 31 idle and 37 under load and I just installed it about a week ago from a 4600. If you think it is acceptable to run Athlon 64s that hot with new compound or not be my guest
 
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Impulse666 said:
I'll agree with PC eye here. ;) I've got a single core Athlon with a new coat of thermal paste and a better heatsink and its still running over 50* full load. We'll see over the next couple of days if it improves...
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What someelse seems to forget is that the newer lines of cpu are designed to use less power like the C2s and AM2 models over anything from Socket A to 939. They also have a lower temp threshold to add to that. Even the stock sinks are somewhat larger. We'll see when the AM2 6000+ X2 goes in what that sees in the first few days. :D
 
Breakin time for a single core 939 model cpu with heat spreader is seen recommended by AS5 for 200hours with repeated shutdowns to allow for room air temp cooling. This allow for the thermal conduction to take place over this time period. The temps will drop some 2C to 5C where eventually the system can be left running constantly.

Breakin time for a dual core model with heat spreader? same as above! You can choose open or heat spreader type as indicated at AS5's own site for recommendations as seen at http://www.arcticsilver.com/ins_route_step2amdas5.html
 
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Breakin time for a single core 939 model cpu with heat spreader is seen recommended by AS5 for 200hours with repeated shutdowns to allow for room air temp cooling. This allow for the thermal conduction to take place over this time period. The temps will drop some 2C to 5C where eventually the system can be left running constantly.

Breakin time for a dual core model with heat spreader? same as above! You can choose open or heat spreader type as indicated at AS5's own site for recommendations as seen at http://www.arcticsilver.com/ins_route_step2amdas5.html
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Well if your starting at over 50c idle during your break in like you said all yours did, then what you just posted just contradicted everything you just said since break in only drops by temps by 2 to 5c. And verifies what I have been saying all the way back to post 4
 
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