Thermal Paste question?

[fade2green514]

i can assume by TIM you mean "mixture"
i think the guy meant that the suspension fluid is a good long lasting material... and storing it upright means more silver which = better conductivity
making the thermal conductivity something completely different than longevity of the paste? either way im kind of in an email convo with the AS5 guy so i'll get back 2 u

 

[Praetor]

wrong... they sell in other countries as well such as japan. not only that but they sell you their product with other cooling products too. for instance they might add $5 to a heatsink and give you some thermal compound with it.

Last I checked there's not trade policy restricting Arctic Silver from operating outside of the US.


Furthermore (more on what I meant originally), AS5 isnt the only stuff that has the same specs ... (hence I asked for your reasoning on saying it's the absolute best)

and i got a nice 240mhz o/c on my video memory

mem: 1.22ghz

For the record thats not a 240MHz OC

 

[fade2green514]

just because they have the ability to operate outside the U.S. doesn't mean it would be good for their business to... tariffs? other such taxes and weird foreign stuff lol

 

[Praetor]

just because they have the ability to operate outside the U.S. doesn't mean it would be good for their business to... tariffs? other such taxes and weird foreign stuff lol

yes the foriegn stuff that other companies have to face too


Edit: wow holy crap, I cant believe i said what I said earlier I just blew through my stupid-quota for the year

 

[fade2green514]

foreign companies don't have to put up with their own countries tariff's there are all sorts of things that could hinder one company and not hinder another not even including tariffs
we all know many companies make computer stuff such as thermal compound outside the U.S..

 

[Mr. Thompson]

The conductive fillers in a thermal grease do not determine the longevity, the fluid the fillers are suspended in does. The suspension fluid must be able to withstand the effect of heat and time without drying out or migrating out of the thermal interface.

We recommend storing silver compounds tip down because silver is heavier than the fluid it is suspended in. Over time, gravity may take its toll and the silver may settle a bit. By storing the syringe tip down, any separated fluid should remain at the back of the syringe so only fully mixed compound will be dispensed. Within the limited confines of a thermal interface settling of the silver particles is a moot point.

Colin Thompson
Arctic Silver, Inc.

 

[fade2green514]

For the record thats not a 240MHz OC

it is when u forgot to change your sig

yes the foriegn stuff that other companies have to face too

not if arctic silver has to ship their stuff, shipping costs money too... like lets say they want to sell their stuff in japan... they could either expand their manufacturing facility which would probably mean paying for permits and crap in japan (not to mention a lot of research, and probably translators too) then they would have to buy new machines to manufacture it and have them shipped there.
if they dont expand their manufacturing facilities then theyd have to raise prices for shipping the compound itself their at a constant rate... and then get permits and crap to sell it and advertise it

 

[krimson_king]

the alcohol wont have an effect on the cpu

exactly......which is why its a good solvent.

anywho, i think the point of the thread is that this guy will not need to replace his thermal compound for a very long time...chances are, he'll be replacing it with a bigger and faster one long before his therml paste goes awry. so to answer the question, no, you dont need to replace it. if you are going to themral paste war, THEN is when you might find the need to argue about how long your compound can last. this could be an entirely new thread based solely on arctic silver...of which there are already several.

 

[Praetor]

foreign companies don't have to put up with their own countries tariff's

Yes but you say that like the US doesnt impose tarrifs on those same companies (by your own argument, Arcitc Silver doesnt pay US tarrifs) which brings us back to square one. If you missed it, i wasnt looking for an econocmic explainaition, i already know it, I was marely making a point

not if arctic silver has to ship their stuff, shipping costs money too... like lets say they want to sell their stuff in japan... they could either expand their manufacturing facility which would probably mean paying for permits and crap in japan (not to mention a lot of research, and probably translators too) then they would have to buy new machines to manufacture it and have them shipped there.
if they dont expand their manufacturing facilities then theyd have to raise prices for shipping the compound itself their at a constant rate... and then get permits and crap to sell it and advertise it

Ok seems i need to make this uber-clear consider two companies, A and B. A is based in US. B is based in not-US. Both companies will sell products in countries A and B.
For international trade,
- Company A has to ship to country B and pay country B tarrifs
- Company B has to ship to country A and pay country A tarrifs

For domeestic trade,
- Company A doesnt pay tarrifs in Country A
- Company B doesnt pay tarrifs in Country B

It just so happens that [Company A] the US market is significantly larger than almost anything else -- which means that Company A (if you've not picked up by now, would be Artcic Silver) has a far easier time competing since it has tarrif-free access to a damn huge market.

The conductive fillers in a thermal grease do not determine the longevity, the fluid the fillers are suspended in does. The suspension fluid must be able to withstand the effect of heat and time without drying out or migrating out of the thermal interface.

- Ah that makes sense .... I gues smore a theoreteical question than anything, accounting for a margin-of-error, is 12% (by weight) of suspension really needed to ensure longevity?
- There are numerous cases of people reporting that AS5, over time (but not excessively so), will cure to the point it's boarderline impossible to remove the heatsink ... would that be hocus?

We recommend storing silver compounds tip down because silver is heavier than the fluid it is suspended in

Ah perfect, now is this stated anywhere on either the product or the website? Ive dug around a bit to no avail.

anywho, i think the point of the thread is that this guy will not need to replace his thermal compound for a very long time...chances are, he'll be replacing it with a bigger and faster one long before his therml paste goes awry. so to answer the question, no, you dont need to replace it. if you are going to themral paste war, THEN is when you might find the need to argue about how long your compound can last. this could be an entirely new thread based solely on arctic silver...of which there are already several.

True enough.

 

[fade2green514]

- Company A has to ship to country B and pay country B tarrifs
- Company B has to ship to country A and pay country A tarrifs

neither are FORCED to ship their products outside their country, im just saying that these factors help other companies survive, AS5 is simply widely known to be one of the best/ coolest cooling compounds.

id like to hear what you think is better than AS5 though, since you don't seem to be showing any proof.

- Ah that makes sense .... I gues smore a theoreteical question than anything, accounting for a margin-of-error, is 12% (by weight) of suspension really needed to ensure longevity?

i think he meant that the suspension fluid is actually a substance that doesn't wear out quickly rather than quantity, quality

Ah perfect, now is this stated anywhere on either the product or the website? Ive dug around a bit to no avail.

http://www.arcticsilver.com/arctic_silver_instructions.htm
its in the middle of the page:
"Storage
Like any mix of particles that are many times heavier than the suspension fluid, there will be some separation in the compound over time when stored in the original syringe. (All thermal compounds eventually experience some separation in storage.) This does not affect the performance of the unseparated or remixed compound.

To keep the compound fresh for future applications, always replace the cap on the syringe after each use. The syringe should be stored tip down so that any separation that occurs will be at the back end of the syringe with fully suspended particles below that. Storing in a cool place like a refrigerator will also lessen the separation over time.
"

 

[M0ddingMan1a]

god daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaamn. so much for not goin off topic eh?? fade stop bein a smart ass, the question is answered already. if u wanna keep goin at it, then just pm praetor and stop usin forum space. lol

 

[fade2green514]

lol were both bein smartasses... its called havin fun... we like computers
this is like EXACTLY how our computer club meetings are with alot more saying the word "leet" and "noob" haha...

 

[apj101]

i feel we've gotton as much out of this thread as we are going to, and it has moved way of topic.

But is one last of topic point

Ok seems i need to make this uber-clear

its so nice to see the use of the word "uber", reminds my of my uni days *sigh*
anyway ... Thread closed