Upgrade Options From Ryzen 1700/GTX 1080 Build

Darren

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Hey all. Haven't been around much lately but have been tossing around the idea of a new PC build as mine grows long in the tooth and doesn't support Windows 11. Figured I'd do a thread in my old stomping ground.

I'm looking to do a rebuild from the ground up, likely reusing my Fractal Design Meshify C case and Enermax ETS T50 CPU Cooler, but going new on everything else I'm pretty out of the loop on the current PC market and don't really game like I used to. I almost exclusively play on my Steam Deck these days as well as a PS5 I unexpectedly got as a gift, being my first modern console in a decade. My desktop has become primarily a 24/7 Plex server connected to a Synology NAS, and with only a 525GB SSD internally, not much install space. I've started having some issues with it and it has ran 24/7 on a locked overclock for about 5 years now so it's probably due.

I would like to have the option to play some modern games on my 3440x1440p ultrawide as well as stream from my PC to the Deck. I don't think I need to go super high end but don't know what the market is like now and where the kind of sweet spot is. I'll want AMD for CPU but am open to either camp for GPU. I don't tinker anything like I used to but wouldn't mind some overclocking options if that's still a thing.

I threw together this list with Newegg's build tool.

Are the extra cores/threads on the Ryzen 7 worth the 100 over the Ryzen 5? Not sure they really were when I bought my 1700 5 years ago but also intend to keep this a while.

What's the X3D thing on some of the AMD chips and is that worth it?

How's AMD vs Nvidia these days? I generally preferred AMD but my 1080 was the best card I've owned so not sure I have much preference anymore.

Do I have any options to transfer my current Windows 10 Pro license attached to my personal MS account to 11 with a new machine?

My budget is flexible but was hoping to be in the $1500 range, maybe less. Current specs are in my sig.

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Broooo what happened to your PC enthusiasm :p

You can stick a 5800X3D in your current system and be good for a while. Zen 5 is supposed to drop a little later this year, also supposedly has a chipset/board refresh. Might be worth jumping on that on release?

What's the X3D thing on some of the AMD chips and is that worth it?
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It's mainly a bigger pool of L3 cache (40 MB vs 96 MB). The clock speeds of the X3D are a little bit reduced for power/heat and having the cache stacked vertically, if your workload is cache sensitive then it's a huge boost.

Otherwise not a bad list, this 7800XT has been super solid at 1440, plenty of headroom left for a smooth/enjoyable ultrawide res. Unsure if you want to spend a little more on a bigger NVME brand or faster module.

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The jump to 5800X3D is pretty big. Going to a 7800X3D from a 5800X3D doesn't net as much of a jump as you'd want if you want to save monies.

Is your Win 10 Pro key an OEM key or retail? OEM keys don't transfer to new boards unless you try to convince the Microsoft rep that your board broke and you got a replacement.

Nvidia's still king if you get the uber top tier stuff, but... the 4090 won't fit a meshify C and I still strongly voice against having to deal with that new 12v power pin until the new revision's released and widely available on GPU's and PSU's.
 
@beers Corporate IT sucked the joy a bit :D. I've been gaming more this year, but sitting behind a screen after work isn't appealing at all anymore.

I don't really trust this motherboard on a much newer chip. Probably would work but I like the idea of a clean slate. Might be worth waiting for Zen 5 as you said.

@Intel_man Does going AMD on GPU lock you out of certain tech like it used to? I know RT is a thing and they both can do it but not sure on their implementation.

My 10 Pro License is actually a Dell OEM Windows 7 Pro key I lifted off a machine in the recycle and tried on a whim to jump up to Pro and it worked. Probably can just buy it but they've let you play sloppy with that for years so wondered if there was a way.
 
Darren said:
Does going AMD on GPU lock you out of certain tech like it used to? I know RT is a thing and they both can do it but not sure on their implementation.
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If your monitor only supports Gsync and not Freesync then you won't get VRR. RT is the same just a bit slower, FSR is similar to DLSS which is also proprietary. Otherwise it's relatively synonymous.
 
As Beers said, G-Sync and freesync is something you need to check, but if your sig is correct then the Lenovo G34w-10 is only freesync... which will work on AMD GPU's. It's only a problem if your monitor was G-Sync Ultimate with the specific nvidia module.

FSR is I would say... less polished than DLSS, but at the same time FSR works on all GPU's.

You can probably just pick up a cheap OEM key on those reseller website.
 
Starting to lean towards a 5800X3D, storage, and a RAM bump for now so I can just upgrade to 11 and limp along on my 1080 until it quits on me. My motherboard supports it and sounds like the 5800X3D is nearly as strong as the 7800X3D without requiring a whole new platform. I just bought a house and have tons of things I could be spending money on instead of a computer I won't use much, at least until GTA VI comes out.

Any issues with mixing a 32GB and a 16GB kit for a total of 48GB? Price between 16 and 32 is small, although I really have no need for more than 32GB total. I know it shouldn't matter but feels kind of wrong still.

My current monitor is FreeSync but I think works with GSync as well unofficially if you just enable it. Haven't messed with it too much though. Was wondering more about DLSS and FSR type stuff, as well as RT which I still don't really understand beyond a marketing buzzword.

Are they anticipating the 5800X3D to still be in stock for a while? It's coming up on 2 years old I see and AM5 coming soon.
 
Darren said:
Any issues with mixing a 32GB and a 16GB kit for a total of 48GB?
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Maybe...? You'll probably be okay in most cases.

Darren said:
My current monitor is FreeSync but I think works with GSync as well unofficially if you just enable it.
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I haven't checked, but you can see if your monitor's on Nvidia's officially supported/tested list for g-sync compatible. If it isn't, you can still force it through the Nvidia Control Panel.

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Was wondering more about DLSS and FSR type stuff, as well as RT which I still don't really understand beyond a marketing buzzword.
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RT really depends on the game. Some do it well, some just eats FPS and you really don't notice it. DLSS/FSR isn't just a marketing buzzword. It can really increase performance when playing on higher resolution than 1080p. They all come with a quality hit, and depending on how nitpicky you are on it, it'll more likely than not be worth enabling.

EDIT: You're in luck... Gamersnexus just posted a GTX 1080 revisit video today.
 
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Any issues with mixing a 32GB and a 16GB kit for a total of 48GB? Price between 16 and 32 is small, although I really have no need for more than 32GB total. I know it shouldn't matter but feels kind of wrong still.
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Maybe...? You'll probably be okay in most cases.
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Agreed, in theory as long as the specs are the same, you should be fine. Rule of thumb is to keep the modules the same make/model/settings.
 
Bit the bullet today on this list. Interested to see how the Asrock GPU is. First time I've touched my PC since Ryzen 1st gen release back in 2017 so scrapping everything but the case.

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word dawg should be fun a nice upgrade from the ol zen1 although that was a nice upgrade at the time as well.
 
Darren said:
Starting to lean towards a 5800X3D, storage, and a RAM bump for now so I can just upgrade to 11 and limp along on my 1080 until it quits on me. My motherboard supports it and sounds like the 5800X3D is nearly as strong as the 7800X3D without requiring a whole new platform. I just bought a house and have tons of things I could be spending money on instead of a computer I won't use much, at least until GTA VI comes out.

Any issues with mixing a 32GB and a 16GB kit for a total of 48GB? Price between 16 and 32 is small, although I really have no need for more than 32GB total. I know it shouldn't matter but feels kind of wrong still.

My current monitor is FreeSync but I think works with GSync as well unofficially if you just enable it. Haven't messed with it too much though. Was wondering more about DLSS and FSR type stuff, as well as RT which I still don't really understand beyond a marketing buzzword.

Are they anticipating the 5800X3D to still be in stock for a while? It's coming up on 2 years old I see and AM5 coming soon.
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DLSS/FSR/XeSS is really neat and honestly works wonders sometimes. They're all just upscaling tech that renders the game at a lower resolution and then upscales it to a selected (usually your native) resolution. DLSS and XeSS both use machine learning to upscale and FSR uses more traditional upscaling techniques.

A lot of games enable them by default in some of their settings presets. DLSS produces a better image but requires dedicated hardware only found on Nvidia cards. FSR will run on just about anything and gets about the same performance gains as DLSS at a lower image quality, though in active gameplay the difference is hard to spot unless you're looking for it.

Intel also has its own XeSS (my usual choice) which can run on just about anything as well but produces a better image than FSR (near DLSS quality from my experience) at the cost of not performing as well as FSR/DLSS. You'd really have to play around with what's available to see what you think about them.

I do like ray tracing but its kinda a game by game basis on how much it actually improves the experience and whether the performance hit is worth it. From my experience in most games you flip it on, don't see much of a difference, and then turn it off again to get your FPS back.
 
Finally got it going after a mishap with RAM clearance. The original RAM was way too tall and wouldn't let me mount my AIO up top as it hangs over the RAM slots. Wouldn't fit up front either because the 7900 is so long. Ordered some different lower profile RAM and got everything going. Had some crashing issues first couple days but pretty sure I tracked that down to the Asrock RGB software. Was getting random application and full system crashes but I think it's happy now after removing it.

I am shocked at how hot this 7700x runs but I guess it by design will overvolt and boost as much as it possibly can within the TJ Max of 95oC. Was reaching upper 80s during stress testing which per AMD is totally normal. Was able to adjust the TJ Max target to 85oC and seems to run just as fast but a lot cooler. Definitely a different implementation vs the Cool N Quiet I know from years ago. Seeing 5.6GHz boost clocks with everything on auto kinda blows my mind after the hard 4.0GHz limit on my 1700 with tons of tweaking.

Now I just need to find some games to make this sweat. Everything I've tried has been 100+ FPS maxed out at 1440p ultrawide. Almost takes the fun out of it :D

Will post some pics later, still need to clean up my mess of fan cables.
 
I've been battling random hard reboots since I set this up, usually while gaming at heavy load. I was starting to suspect power issues and ordered a Corsair RM850E which is ATX 3.0 and the current EVGA Supernova G2 750w is not. This week I had it reboot while gaming right when my house furnace fans kicked on. Did it twice within an hour. Previous reboots have been under heavy load but only just started running my furnace recently. I also was getting pretty bad coil whine on the 7900 GRE. I got a UPS with voltage regulation from work but that didn't seem to help.

Swapped in the RM850E this morning and the coil whine is completely gone. It sometimes takes hours to crash so I still don't trust it but hoping I'm on the right track. Not sure what to do with the EVGA 750W if this fixes it as I'm outside Newegg's return policy.
 
Sounds like its on the same circuit which it shouldn't be. Furnace should be on a dedicated circuit by itself.
 
It really depends on the wiring in his place. Not uncommon for certain rooms to be hooked up with a double pole breaker - which would be fine to run a furnace and a high power drawing computer at the same time.

About that coil whine thing, could always reach out to evga for an answer.
 
Well it crashed again. I've had crashing independent of the furnace fans, including just now. I'm just using that as evidence to the fact it to be power related.

Honestly I'm stumped now, without just straight RMA'ing part by part which is a huge pain. Seems possible to be motherboard or GPU at this point but will be difficult to prove in an RMA process since it's so sporadic and works flawlessly until it just reboots.
 
Zero errors other than unexpected shutdown warning Event ID 41, once it comes back up. I've done a lot of troubleshooting I haven't really detailed. It is working perfectly fine then just cuts video and instantly reboots, no loss of power to the tower, just starts at the beginning of its boot cycle. No crashing applications errors, blue screens, nothing. It will run for days with Plex going without any issues. I can lock my framerate to 60 and that seems to pretty much stop it but obviously not a real solution.

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Since last night I've reinstalled Windows on a different SSD and have the same behavior within 30 minutes of playing Satisfactory. I have this narrowed down to GPU, Mobo, or CPU. Probably throw my 1080 in there today.

I hate that I've gotten to the point that when looking for tech help online I struggle to find much I don't already know to try. Guess that's the joy of doing this as a career.
 
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