upgrading without upgrading

pdc76

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i have a decision to make guys. i'm selling my cpu and i'm getting another. i'm ditching my fx-57 to make way for either the fx-60 or a 4800+.

the reason behind this is, i can afford a cpu change, not a cpu, mobo, ram, and video card upgrade. my 939 mobo has agp and ddr, if i switch to am2, it's pci-x and ddr2. i'm not an intel fan, i know the core 2's are better, but i want amd.

the fx-60 or the 4800+? can get the 4800+ for less than i'm selling the fx-57 for, and about half the price of the fx-60. is the fx-60 worth the extra money?
 
The 4800+ is only .2ghz slower then the FX60 model cpu at 2.4ghz. Presently I am waiting for the FX60 to drop in price before even looking at it. Actually the 4800+ is currently less then 1/2 with the sale seen at http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819103544

If you look over the specifications on both models they are identical except for the 2ghz difference. Both models have the Toledo core with the FX60 running at 2.6ghz. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819103608 The FX60 is the fastest model for the Socket 939 line of boards. Which one of the two OCs better?
 
I would go with the fx60. The price differance doesn't justify the only differance of unclocked multiplyers.
 
i would go with the FX-57. its a great proc, and it'll handle anything you need it to with ease, plus its probably very overclockable.
if you absolutely MUST have dual core sure, go ahead and upgrade...
but i suggest you save your money and get a core 2 duo with the whole rig. it would be very beneficial since its faster, cheaper, and more overclockable. MUCH more overclockable.
plus, then you'd have two high end computers... one that was the best one year, and one thats the best now. lol, or you could just sell the FX-57 rig as a whole, thats what i did with my X2 3800+ rig, since i couldn't salvage RAM or motherboard(939)...
i mean, i sold mine for 1grand... i bought a whole new computer with $991, made $9 (haha w/e) and now have a core 2 duo :)
 
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i definately want to upgrade and not keep the fx-57. i want a dual core cpu. maybe it's just bad luck, but all 3 intel procs i've ever owned died on me. this fx-57 proc is my 4th amd and it's still going strong. there's something about staying alive until i'm ready to upgrade that's very appealling to me.

anyway, the only difference in the fx-60 and the 4800+ is the fx-60 is 2.6 dual core, and the 4800+ is 2.4 dual core. also the fx-60 has unlocked multipliers. that's it. is it worth like double the price? what should i get? i'm a gamer.
 
If this is for gaming i would upgrade a new mobo and get a PCI-E video card instead(unless you have one of the top of the line agps?) fx 57 is still a great chip imo...
 
Supposedly both are OC capable. The question was posted to see if anyone had any benchmarks to compare the two models. According to AMD the FX60 stands out some 15% better then the FX57. http://www.amd.com/us-en/Processors/ProductInformation/0,,30_118_9485_9488^9532,00.html

The 4800+ X2 has been OCed from the stock 2.4ghz to 3.14ghz according to the PCStats article seen at http://www.pcstats.com/articleview.cfm?articleid=1845&page=2 The FX line of AMD cpus are made for OCing however. They had the gamer in mind with the FX60 dual cored model there. The FX57 is a single core model.
 
maybe it's just bad luck, but all 3 intel procs i've ever owned died on me.

I would suggest that luck has nothing to do with it. I have been running and working on Intel processors since 1986 and I have never seen ONE die. I have never RMAed one to my suppliers. I have never had a customer bring a dead one in. In fact, selling Intels since 1997 I have never had ONE complaint. Not one.

I have however had some dead AMDs. Notably Athlon XPs.. Another reason I hate those stupid processors.
 
this fx-57 proc is my 4th amd and it's still going strong. there's something about staying alive until i'm ready to upgrade that's very appealling to me.

I know the feeling there with the exception of the last AMD model that cooked due to a failed 3rd party cooler there's an AMD fan here still. I can't say that the early Intel models owned here proved otherwise. However the price difference seen between the two for the small gain there has to be considered. Two dual cored cpus on a dual processor gaming board would be a thought there if they had them. :D
 
pdc76:

A thought just occurred to me. Since AMD began operations in 1969 they have had the reputation as being the alternative for people that could not afford Intel. They still have that reputation to this day. In fact for the longest time the corporate sector wouldn't even touch them. Their history is dubious.

Just recently things have changed, and they have become serious contenders with the Opteron and AMD64 processors. The problem is that nobody will buy them if they are close to the price of Intel. AMD has to discount their chips to get a bigger slice of the market share pie.

Ok.

Notwithstanding all that, an FX 57 is more expensive than a 6600 Core2Duo and a Core2Duo smokes it. Do you see the logic in your argument? I don't. I also don't buy that you weren't responsible for your CPUs demise (or anyone else for that matter. It is, however, plausible and most likely that it was human error).
 
pdc76:

Since AMD began operations in 1969 they have had the reputation as being the alternative for people that could not afford Intel. They still have that reputation to this day. In fact for the longest time the corporate sector wouldn't even touch them. Their history is dubious.

I have always owned intel, but i dont think amd is a bad brand. Afterall why would intel allow amd to basically make "copies" of their processors for all those years. They were an alternative (for many years) to intel because intel let them. Many of the older processors were almost exactly what intel was making, down to the socket. They had basically the same architecture. Intel signed an agreement with AMD allowing them to make processors that were similar to intel (this way amd wouldnt get sued because they were almost identical copies), and intel kept amd under their foot so to speak. After a few years amd wanted to not just be an intel copycat...they thought they could take them out. Thus the agreement was annuled and amd started to design their own processors.

Sure, why would a company want a copycat of the most notorious at the time, when they could have a cpu from the original designers of that processor. I'd buy from the original creator...but does that mean that the other processors arent as good(granted amd was always behind the wheel then, constantly trying to remake intel's newest cpu's). but by no means does that make me think their history is dubious...

Although i do wonder now if Intel had known how big amd was going to be because of the help intel gave amd...would they have given them that help to begin with? maybe amd would just be another cyrix or something...who knows

also, as far as i knew, amd was more concerned (atleast when they were copying intel processors) with the pc market. the home buyer. a cheaper alternative to intel.

i dont know...just saying.

but for me, its totally intel ftw. always has, probably always will be. not saying i will not buy an amd processor, i have almost done it several times. im just familiar with intel, they have never let me down. ill sacrifice a few little hits of performance to get a company i know works. were creatures of habit, we go with whats always worked for us. for me its intel, for others its amd. but right now those core2duos are smoking the living hell out of amds processors...although ive been wondering, amd hasnt had a "new" processor line out for a while. i cant say i see them sitting on their laurels for the last while...what are they gonna come out with...i cant sit here and think they havent been working on something big here. cuz if they havent intels just gonna pull away. i do like seeing competiton in the marketplace, we always are the winners (the consumer). but if intel pulls too far ahead, they can charge whatever they want. come on amd pull it together. bring a new technology out or improvement or something. Or keep cutting prices, either way make my next computer cheaper and better...thats what i like to see

if amd keeps cutting prices to keep up, i might have to build my first amd rig. lol. and make out like a bandit
 
i'm not an intel fan, i know the core 2's are better, but i want amd.

Why buy a processor that cost twice as much, and gives you less performance? That's just not logical.

It would be MUCH better for you to stick with your fx-57 until you have enough money to do a complete upgrade. Then get a pci-express board and get a C2D or w/e is superior when you decide to upgrade.
 
wow, this really turned into an intel/amd battle, didn't it? that wasn't what i was trying to do, i was just stating that i'm going with amd. thanks for trying to convert me though. sounds like my neighbor downstairs with his macbook bro. we argue pc/mac almost every day, but we'll never change each others minds. i think "why bother", but argue anyway.

as for my agp card, it is an ati radeon x800 xt platinum ed. agp (no ati/nvidia debates). it kicks pretty good ass. i'm waiting for dx10 before i do anything graphics wise though. i paid close to $600 for this card new, and plan to do that again soon, but i'm gonna wait and see what's around the corner with dx10 and these physx cards.

i think i'm gonna go with the fx-60. not because of the specs, not because of the name, but because if i get the 4800+, it will always bug me that i didn't buy THE fastest 939 socket cpu they make. thanks for the imput guys.
 
wow, this really turned into an intel/amd battle, didn't it? that wasn't what i was trying to do, i was just stating that i'm going with amd. thanks for trying to convert me though. sounds like my neighbor downstairs with his macbook bro. we argue pc/mac almost every day, but we'll never change each others minds. i think "why bother", but argue anyway.

as for my agp card, it is an ati radeon x800 xt platinum ed. agp (no ati/nvidia debates). it kicks pretty good ass. i'm waiting for dx10 before i do anything graphics wise though. i paid close to $600 for this card new, and plan to do that again soon, but i'm gonna wait and see what's around the corner with dx10 and these physx cards.

i think i'm gonna go with the fx-60. not because of the specs, not because of the name, but because if i get the 4800+, it will always bug me that i didn't buy THE fastest 939 socket cpu they make. thanks for the imput guys.

Lol ok...whatever floats in your boat. If money doesn't matter to you, then sure, FX-60 will be wonderful, and you can OC it like crazy.
 
Nightrain:

AMD makes some fine CPUs now.. There is no doubt. I didn't want to leave the impression that I was saying otherwise. However, Intel is smoking them for less money so it really doesn't make any sense to buy AMD unless you're a fanboy. That's all. :)
 
ohh no i totally agree with you. i'd almost always go price/performance. they both make great processors.

but right now ya, id say totally core2duo if you had the money. even the little e6300 is a great processor (ive got it and it runs beautifully...not a single hiccup or issue....love it) i was just stating a few things about amd and intel that not many people may know. its always one or the other with most people, when most of them dont realize that they had a business agreement with each other. I just dont know what people have against either brand. its like a car, one thing goes bad, or one bad experience and people think its the end of the world for that brand. its like amd and/or intel are horrible brands to people because of one little incident and its the end of the world. lol. i honestly dont know where im going with this other than i dont see why people aren't open to other ideas and brands. many dont even specify why they dont want a brand...im not being rude to the original poster but why do you solely want amd...im not against them im just asking. Many people are like nope dont want it, and dont give reasons to why, not that you need one its your oppinion, im just saying it helps the other people understand more about what you actually want and need. hey in the end you may get an intel and love it. im just saying lol. something out of the ordinary might surprise you, it does most people
 
my main reason for not going with another cpu is the fact that i don't want to change my motherboard or anything else. i thought i stated that in the first thread. all i want to do is change the 939 cpu. i knew i'd get some "try the c2d" or "whatever floats your boat" kind of responses. that's not what i asked for, and i thought i made that pretty specific in my first few postings.

most of the responses remind me of freakin' jehovah's witnesses. i can't stand people who push their beliefs on someone else, especially if they didn't ask for it. don't want to upgrade anything until after the dx10 thing. all i want is to put something better in my 939.

why get a whole new setup with the c2d if i have to change again next year. i'm running an ati radeon x800 xt platinum edition AGP card. i think i'll wait until some dx10 cards come out before i upgrade.

i'd like to see one person step up and tell me i'm wrong for that. let me sell my 57. let me buy my 60. let me keep my ddr400 and my agp card until i see what's around the corner. are you willing to buy a $500 video card this close to dx10's release?

keep your c2d. keep your c2extreme. when all's said and done, i'll be ready to buy the new E7800 cpu and you'll be wishing you didn't jump the gun by buying the E6800. you wanna turn this into an intel/amd debate?

what do you think is gonna happen? amd owns ati now. you think amd won't have ananswer to the core duo? i'd reather wait and see. in the mean time put the fastest cpu n my board. what's wrong with that? amd ran the boards for so long. intel finally came ahead. all you front runners went arunnin'.

you don't think amd is gonna have an answer for the c2d? waste your money. especially since you know amd owns ati now? you guys are in for a rude awakening. look at what ati is doing with physx these days for example. 3 card setups and stuff.

all i wanted was 4800 or fx60 answer, you intel peons showed your asses. you might be kick ass now, but wait and see. intel rose to the top after so many cpu's. amd won't let you stay there for long. enjoy it while you can!
 
Lol...

1st of all, why spend $600 on a processor if you're going to rebuild next years?

2nd of all, we all see how you're very attached to amd, but intel does have the upperhand right now and you can't deny that, whatever amd comes out with later is later. But if you're going to wait for a new things to come, you might as well wait forever.

3rd of all, look around on the forum, we've said what we've said to plenty of people, you dont have to bite back at us :)

last of all, get the x2 4800+, it's not worth twice the money for 200mhz and an unlocked multiplyer.
 
Spoken like a true fanboy. Not even worth addressing in any depth. :rolleyes:

I remember the fanboys doing the exact same goddamn thing when AMD was on top. They are the sorriest bunch of poor sports that I have ever seen. Wah wah wah. Price/performance. Oh wait. We're getting our asses kicked? WE'LL BE BACK!! :rolleyes: It's pathetic.

Oh well. The FX 60 is archaic and gets it's ass handed to it in everything. All three of them do. But if you want one and don't want to or can't examine your options, what else is there to say but go for it? Why the hell did you bother asking for opinions? You're not going to notice any performance difference really. You're just screwing around because you're bored. That's cool. Whatever.
 
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