Verizon Internet throttling

Discussion in 'Internet Discussion' started by Grantapus, Mar 28, 2019.

  1. Grantapus

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    Hello. I recently got the Verizon "Beyond Unlimited" plan, however Verizon says they will throttle video even though I'm paying over 90 bucks a month for "Unlimited" data. So I was wondering If I use a VPN, (IP Vanish) will it stop the throttling because It does not know what I'm using the data for? Would this work for hotspot throttling too?
     
  2. Intel_man

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    Using a VPN will not circumvent the data allowance before throttling.
     
  3. Darren

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    I don't understand how using the word "unlimited" isn't just blatant false advertising because that's exactly what it is.
     
  4. beers

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    I think that's kind of like a milkshake situation.

    If your VPN can compress the data (more watery/melted) you can ingest more milkshake data. Otherwise your straw's been crushed by Verizon so all data through it would be more thick and slow.

    I agree with a queuing policy to facilitate better service for more people, but I disagree with Verizon undersizing the backhaul to the cell tower and not having enough bandwidth for busy areas. Airspace bandwidth is a toss up between the two.
     
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  5. OmniDyne

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    I'm not trying to defend Verizon (a corporation that gets government subsidies and avoids massive amounts of taxes) but I personally think the bandwidth issue isn't Verizon's fault, or really any providers fault. I think the problem is urban sprawl. It's hugely expensive to lay infrastructure and provide adequate service to users because the maintenance required is serious. Permits, bureaucracy involved with local, state, and federal governments, labor, training employees, line repairs (I'm sure everyone is aware how expensive fiber is) compacted by endless amounts of cookie cutter houses being thrown up at a fierce pace; it's incredibly difficult to keep up with expansion. We should be building up, not out.

    I feel this is partially evidenced by Germany; they (providers) don't give a rats ass about smaller towns. I visited a group of friends out there and smaller towns enjoy 10Mbps speeds that were also capped. That's it. 1.25MB/s at the same prices Americans pay for 65Mbps+. Expansion is heavily regulated as is infrastructure and they aren't worried about providing superior infrastructure to rural customers because it's damn expensive and a pain in the ass.

    Google is also pulling out on laying its fiber infrastructure and I don't blame them. The majority of bandwidth is used for Netflix and Youtube (I do love me some Netflix) but it isn't essential usage. Who needs to eat up 400GB+ a month of streaming services?
     
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  6. Darren

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    Who cares what I'm doing with my data? If I pay for it, then that's none of their business if I'm doing advanced bandwidth heavy calculations that will treat cancer or if I'm streaming Friends for the 9th time thru in the past year.

    All this would be solved if it was treated as a basic utility and done by local government and not a for profit company.
     
  7. OmniDyne

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    I disagree. Germany, and just about any other European country, uses a mixture of private sector and government solutions for infrastructure, including electrical infrastructure. You can't just leave it up to local governments and the private sector will always enjoy certain advantages that governments don't, especially as local governments continue to struggle for funding.

    If you knew how much it costs a water utility company to run just 100 feet of PVC drinking water infrastructure, you'd understand.
     
  8. Darren

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    I think it stems more from a fundamental change in how people perceive internet access and treating it as a requirement and not a luxury. Not saying it would be an easy switch overnight but moving forward it needs to be treated and viewed differently by both providers and end users.
     
  9. Intel_man

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    2014 called. They want their net neutrality back.
     
  10. Darren

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    You know there's a big push in the US right now to restore it right? This isn't an out of date idea by means.
     
  11. Intel_man

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    There's been a "big push" ever since Ajit Pai took it down. California passed a law about it... but it's being challenged.
     
  12. Darren

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    I'm talking about the actual bill that's being pushed, which is a recent development.
     
  13. OmniDyne

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    Sure, the US needs serious reform when it comes to internet, but again, local governments will never be able to afford the laying and maintenance of the infrastructure, and making it a "requirement" isn't the best idea. Water isn't a requirement. It's a utility provided by either local, state, not-for-profit, or for profit entities, and its use is regulated heavily (in some areas), but if you don't pay your bill, you don't get water. The companies aren't forced by law to provide you with water. You still have to pay a tap fee (several thousand dollars) to acquire service and then pay monthly to maintain it.

    It may seem silly, but there are serious disadvantages to labeling internet as a "basic utility".

    Again, infrastructure is expensive. I mean super expensive. It's understated. It isn't as simple as throwing lines on poles or digging a trench and throwing pipe in.
     
  14. Darren

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    Don't get me wrong I'm fairly ignorant on the whole subject (you clearly have done your homework) but I feel like a fundamental shift in how it's treated and regulated is definitely in order. It's too crucial to modern society to let it be run amok by the rich and powerful. I don't think we're disagreeing there.

    My usage of the word requirement is probably a poor choice on my part. I'd put it more akin to water or HVAC services. It's viewed as a luxury more akin to having premium HD channels or something. Difference from that kind of service is that you don't pay bills, buy goods, communicate personally and professionally, with it. Surviving in modern society is greatly enhanced in nearly every way by having internet access.
     
  15. OmniDyne

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    Honestly, it's experience. When (or if) you build (or own) a house, you'll understand. Every utility requires a fee to start new service. Water and sewer are typically together and aren't cheap. Where I live the water tap is $2000 and sewer is about the same in addition to the grinder pump and tie-in on the 3" main (installation and maintenance is on the home owner/ builder and typically runs between $4000 to $8000). New power connections out here cost well over $1,000.

    But it gets super expensive when service isn't available in your area and you'd like it run anyways. A water system in Texas wanted to charge a family member $4,000 for a tap because he was just short of the water main. So they were attempting to charge him a percentage of the total cost it would take to run the added main in addition to the tap. I work for the water system out here and it's a not-for-profit organization. It cost the company $86,000 to run a water main down a road that isn't particularly long but they had to bore quite a bit of it underground due to concrete driveways and underground power cabling. We were told if we hit and damaged an AT&T fiber line, we'd be fired without question. The power company out here broke an AT&T fiber line and were billed $20,000.

    Anyways, I think it's important to remember the events in Flint, Michigan. Just because the services are provided by a public utility doesn't mean the quality is superior. Realistically, public service is subject to far more bureaucracy and political whim, especially when budget cuts are involved.
     

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