thanks patrick, it took me a little bit but i got it. at first i thought i had to make an image and then use VMware converter to convert the image to a VM file, but no, it converts the HD as is. that and i had a bit of a problem since i have 6 HD's, the program got real picky with what HD it was going to let me use as a VM, i had to unplug them from the mobo before it would let me continue. but like i said, i got it, thanks for the help.