Vista Hype??
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Well i think its to do with the pretty looks of it and it been the latest windows release.
And also better security....well i hope anyway
Geoff
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To the people who dont know a thing about Vista, all they think it offers is eye candy. Which is true, but it also offers a much, much better gaming platform with DirectX10, improved API, and lots of other cool features. It also has much higher security, new programs and updated programs like movie maker, photo gallery, windows defender, windows mail, windows calender, etc.
I would go on, but I have other stuff to do right now
I would go on, but I have other stuff to do right now
The most important (headline) features of Vista:
1. Aero Glass - you can have it with Windows Blinds, 3-D window preview, 3rd (free) party software.
2. Backup and restore - some useful stuff in there like Shadow Copies with its Previous Version. Useful if you need it...
3. Fully integrated search - really good tool in Vista. Not much different than Google Desktop (or other 3rd party soft).
4. Speech Recognition - again, really good tool (it's able to control almost every aspect of the computer), plus it is difficult to find good 3rd party soft (most of them controls main apps like Office or IE...), but still, you can find something useful.
So, concluding you can use 3rd party soft for almost everything what is in Vista.
Nothing new in Vista.
Except DirectX10 (if you like your game )
So, upgarding XP? No.
With my next computer? Yes, why not.
1. Aero Glass - you can have it with Windows Blinds, 3-D window preview, 3rd (free) party software.
2. Backup and restore - some useful stuff in there like Shadow Copies with its Previous Version. Useful if you need it...
3. Fully integrated search - really good tool in Vista. Not much different than Google Desktop (or other 3rd party soft).
4. Speech Recognition - again, really good tool (it's able to control almost every aspect of the computer), plus it is difficult to find good 3rd party soft (most of them controls main apps like Office or IE...), but still, you can find something useful.
So, concluding you can use 3rd party soft for almost everything what is in Vista.
Nothing new in Vista.
Except DirectX10 (if you like your game
)So, upgarding XP? No.
With my next computer? Yes, why not.
Geoff
VIP Member
Perhaps if you actually use it you would notice the improvements it has.
I have never received a BSOD, and it has yet to freeze up on me at all (unlike XP Pro). It also plays my games like CSS much better actually on Vista then it does on XP, with the same settings.
aero is pretty and all, but it's simply a byproduct of the real updates in vista
vista transitioned the primary desktop workload to the graphics card, opposed to a more cpu-driven desktop, which frees up your primary resources at the cost of graphics memory and processing
the eyecandy is just a bonus, the real benefit is having more of your cpu available for running programs, and not tied up doing effects/drawing the desktop
do non-gamers need to invest in a better graphics card? yes.
but the more work the graphics card is doing, the less work your cpu has to do.
vista transitioned the primary desktop workload to the graphics card, opposed to a more cpu-driven desktop, which frees up your primary resources at the cost of graphics memory and processing
the eyecandy is just a bonus, the real benefit is having more of your cpu available for running programs, and not tied up doing effects/drawing the desktop
do non-gamers need to invest in a better graphics card? yes.
but the more work the graphics card is doing, the less work your cpu has to do.
Geoff
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Very well put. Also, Vista is designed to take advantage of multi-core CPU's, which will show an even greater benefit.
And as I'm writing this, i'm only using 2% cpu usage one one core, while the other is at 0%.
tlarkin
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I have used vista since the first public beta via our MSDN subscription at work. I was not impressed then and I am still not impressed. We have buisness version of a few machines in the office, and I have a copy of Ultimate MS shipped me for free.
First off, this whole propaganda about it now utilizies GPUs better is not what it seems. Ever since the first Gefore came out, the Annilator Pro (which actually I still have one lying around) applications and the OS took advantage of sending out cycles to the GPU to get crunched this is nothing new. It may be improved, but its not new technology. If it is so improved why do the same sepc machines, ie C2D nice DX9 video card score higher benchmarks on 3Dmark? Google it and you will see side by side comparisons. Benchmarks really don't mean squat, but that is evidence enough to make me doubt vista is worth the upgrade.
SMB2, that is going to cause problems down the road, basically there is now like a 1500% packet increase on network traffic. I am not sure exactly why this is, I have read through all the improvements in security in SMB2, but really I had no idea that security was that big of a flaw in SMB1. SMB1 is pretty secure as is when implemented correctly.
DRM nightmare....So vista is very heavy in DRM and you can not play back anything in HD unless you have the proper DRM. meaning that it will downgrade the quality of your media unless you have the proper DRM codes. Of course using a third party application will probably by pass this, unless its actually locked down by the OS. These reports are still kind of sketchy because vista is still too new to actually know how much DRM will affect its users. I hate DRM and do not support it in any way.
I have never had a BSOD on my current windows machine running XP since June of 04, and it has had a few upgrades to it as well.
Also MS is pretty open about their new OS, vienna actually offers features that will make a huge difference. direct access to the file system, the HAL, perhaps even scrap the registry all together. the registry is a huge mess and anyone who has ever done extensive work on other platforms knows that self contained applications is where its at.
I think that Vista is just a cash cow to make MS more money. As of now in my opinion its not worth the upgrade, however the DX10 thing is completely asinine and ridiculous and makes me want to scrap windows all together. I just gotta wait for the wine project to get better and then I can really drop windows completely.
First off, this whole propaganda about it now utilizies GPUs better is not what it seems. Ever since the first Gefore came out, the Annilator Pro (which actually I still have one lying around) applications and the OS took advantage of sending out cycles to the GPU to get crunched this is nothing new. It may be improved, but its not new technology. If it is so improved why do the same sepc machines, ie C2D nice DX9 video card score higher benchmarks on 3Dmark? Google it and you will see side by side comparisons. Benchmarks really don't mean squat, but that is evidence enough to make me doubt vista is worth the upgrade.
SMB2, that is going to cause problems down the road, basically there is now like a 1500% packet increase on network traffic. I am not sure exactly why this is, I have read through all the improvements in security in SMB2, but really I had no idea that security was that big of a flaw in SMB1. SMB1 is pretty secure as is when implemented correctly.
DRM nightmare....So vista is very heavy in DRM and you can not play back anything in HD unless you have the proper DRM. meaning that it will downgrade the quality of your media unless you have the proper DRM codes. Of course using a third party application will probably by pass this, unless its actually locked down by the OS. These reports are still kind of sketchy because vista is still too new to actually know how much DRM will affect its users. I hate DRM and do not support it in any way.
I have never had a BSOD on my current windows machine running XP since June of 04, and it has had a few upgrades to it as well.
Also MS is pretty open about their new OS, vienna actually offers features that will make a huge difference. direct access to the file system, the HAL, perhaps even scrap the registry all together. the registry is a huge mess and anyone who has ever done extensive work on other platforms knows that self contained applications is where its at.
I think that Vista is just a cash cow to make MS more money. As of now in my opinion its not worth the upgrade, however the DX10 thing is completely asinine and ridiculous and makes me want to scrap windows all together. I just gotta wait for the wine project to get better and then I can really drop windows completely.
Geoff
VIP Member
Im sure you're well aware that with the increasing number of computers that consumers and businesses have, they are moving from IPv4 to IPv6, and Vista is the first to support this.
I'm not sure if they will release a patch to do so in XP, but if they dont, then soon in the future you will need Vista on large scale businesses.
And I can see your more of a casual user who does normal IT/business work. I can also see that because of that, why you see theres no real significant move to Vista.
However to gamers, home users, and practically everyone else, Vista shows improved gaming performance, ease of use for new computer users, alot more programs integrated into the OS, and improved security by default.
I'm not sure if they will release a patch to do so in XP, but if they dont, then soon in the future you will need Vista on large scale businesses.
And I can see your more of a casual user who does normal IT/business work. I can also see that because of that, why you see theres no real significant move to Vista.
However to gamers, home users, and practically everyone else, Vista shows improved gaming performance, ease of use for new computer users, alot more programs integrated into the OS, and improved security by default.
tlarkin
VIP Member
I think MS said that they are not going to update XP to ipv6, and that XP will continue to use SMB1 instead of SMB2 since SMB2 has complete legacy support. however, that will cause a problem on the network with legacy systems.
I am not a casual user by any means. I am not a hardcore gamer either. I used to be a hardcore gamer back when I was 18-22ish and played competively in CS clans and quake3 clans, etc. I kind have grown out of that, but that doesn't mean I don't enjoy playing a good high tech 3D FPS.
Here is what I am trying to say.....
If I gave most gamers on this forum the pepsi challenge, and had two identical systems up and running two identical applications, be it games or whatever. I had all evidence masked of which OS was being run in the backgorund, i doubt that most people (gamers, power users, etc) could tell the difference of what was running in the background.
DRM is going to cause a lot of problem with third parties, both software and hardware. Just wait, your DRM music you buy off site A is incompatible with half the hardware that is out there to play it. You want HD play back abilities, well if you don't have the right DRM hash code in your media it downgrades the quality until you purchase your legal copy.
My problems with vista have been existing ever since windows was made. it is a sloppy OS. I like a lot of aspects of windows and am not a fan boy of any OS. In fact, I pretty much hate several things about every OS I have ever tried, and I do not have a favorite OS. I run every major OS out there too.
What is the difference in game play between 85fps and 95fps? The human mind and the human eye can not tell the difference.
I also hate how vista is marketed, how you are forced to upgrade for certain features, and how it is structred. However, MS did change the documents and settings folder crap and now have a /Users instead, which is how Unix operates, and is a good move.
I hope all those home media users get what they want out of vista, I just see it being an over priced product that does not deliver what it promises. I mean who in the hell even uses windows media player who is not your average user? it has to be the worst media player out there.
I have no doubt that it will improve over time, but as of now I see no reason why to drop 200 dollars on an OS that promises what it can not deliver.
I am not a casual user by any means. I am not a hardcore gamer either. I used to be a hardcore gamer back when I was 18-22ish and played competively in CS clans and quake3 clans, etc. I kind have grown out of that, but that doesn't mean I don't enjoy playing a good high tech 3D FPS.
Here is what I am trying to say.....
If I gave most gamers on this forum the pepsi challenge, and had two identical systems up and running two identical applications, be it games or whatever. I had all evidence masked of which OS was being run in the backgorund, i doubt that most people (gamers, power users, etc) could tell the difference of what was running in the background.
DRM is going to cause a lot of problem with third parties, both software and hardware. Just wait, your DRM music you buy off site A is incompatible with half the hardware that is out there to play it. You want HD play back abilities, well if you don't have the right DRM hash code in your media it downgrades the quality until you purchase your legal copy.
My problems with vista have been existing ever since windows was made. it is a sloppy OS. I like a lot of aspects of windows and am not a fan boy of any OS. In fact, I pretty much hate several things about every OS I have ever tried, and I do not have a favorite OS. I run every major OS out there too.
What is the difference in game play between 85fps and 95fps? The human mind and the human eye can not tell the difference.
I also hate how vista is marketed, how you are forced to upgrade for certain features, and how it is structred. However, MS did change the documents and settings folder crap and now have a /Users instead, which is how Unix operates, and is a good move.
I hope all those home media users get what they want out of vista, I just see it being an over priced product that does not deliver what it promises. I mean who in the hell even uses windows media player who is not your average user? it has to be the worst media player out there.
I have no doubt that it will improve over time, but as of now I see no reason why to drop 200 dollars on an OS that promises what it can not deliver.
Geoff
VIP Member
I see what your saying, Vista has both it's ups and downs. And right now there really is no reason for anyone to need Vista.
But like any other Windows OS, everyone will slowly be forced to move to the newest when Microsoft stops releasing updates, and programs no longer work with it.
DRM is one of the worst things to happen to Vista. From what I've heard, you need an HDCP compatible monitor and video card, to help eliminate any type of recording device, whether it be software or hardware.
But like any other Windows OS, everyone will slowly be forced to move to the newest when Microsoft stops releasing updates, and programs no longer work with it.
DRM is one of the worst things to happen to Vista. From what I've heard, you need an HDCP compatible monitor and video card, to help eliminate any type of recording device, whether it be software or hardware.
henryjsaunders
New Member
I think vista is just another os that will make the computer go slower so you have to buy more ram and wow you get a huge clock in the corner!
Jonyboy
New Member
Generally you can get stuff you can get on linux for free, get a new skin which you could get a look a like for free ofline for xp, some stuff that (like directX10) which you can get of the windows site for xp for free, and stronger security (which is somehow stronger compared to XP which has 100s of anti-virus programs for it). You can aslo get stuff which you could get on a mac 5 years ago.