Windows 11 is making my computer redundant. Do I need replacement software or a new computer?

BML

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I resent having to pay Windows rent for Windows 11 so I asked the person who sorts out my computer problems for advice and this is his reply.

1. Your Desktop and Laptop hardware will never take Windows two neither meet the minimum requirements set out by Microsoft. Windows 11 has a basic requirement to run by having an additional chip on the Motherboard called TMP (Trusted Platform Module), or TPM 2.0 which simply isn't in your machine due to it's processor being a bit older. TPM 2.0 is an important building block for security-related features. TPM 2.0 is used in Windows 11 for a number of it's other features too, it also in effect add's an additional level of security on the Hardware, more details here - https://www.tomsguide.com/news/what-is-a-tpm-and-heres-why-you-need-it-for-windows-11

2. From October/November 2025 both your systems will in effect be obsolete, in effect too risky to use. Both will need to be replaced ideally.

3. A new PC will come with Windows 11, one would hope this is a license covered for use for it's lifespan, rather than an annual subscription model like with MS Office 365. Many in the IT field believe that MS will however, eventually move their OS's to a subscription based model, so it may well be the case in time a yearly fee is required - I cannot honestly answer this either way, but knowing MS's track history this probably will be where they will go with this in time.. or maybe come Windows 12? Which we need not worry about until the 2030's!

4. You have 3 years and 4 months left to worry about this, my email sent out on this today is really a heads up and an advance warning that your systems are coming to End of life in that time frame.
 
I would rather run an outdated windows 10 then windows 11 since it sucks. I want my own personalization like I do in 10 but don't get it in 11.
 
I think it's largely speculation at this point where things will go. We had been told before Windows 10 is the "last Windows" and would just get updates but obviously that was a lie. W11 is somewhat of just an update, but still, you can't rely on MS to do what they say in terms of this kind of thing.

I would just use what works now and worry about it when the time comes. I have no intent to use W11, in part due to not having TPM on my setup. If I have to in 2025, I'll cross that bridge when I get there.
 
Windows 10 had reasons to migrate to over Windows 7, when 7 became EOL.
Windows 11 does not. Maybe it will, maybe it will be Windows 12. But for now 10 is practically the same as 11.
 
Windows 11 does have some practical differences.

  • Updates are 40% smaller (compared to 10) and they install in the background.
  • Only one big update to Windows 11 per year—not two big updates per year, as there were with Windows 10.
  • Can run Android Apps
  • AutoHDR
  • DirectStorage (probably MPIO from Windows Server)
  • Microsoft has changed its resource distribution algorithms in Windows 11 to prioritize foreground processes and its memory mapping so that it is faster.

Either way, the TPM can be sidestepped by including a registry key

  • Registry Key: HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\Setup\MoSetup
  • Name: AllowUpgradesWithUnsupportedTPMOrCPU
  • Type: REG_DWORD
  • Value: 1
Then upgrade via Windows Update. Then do a fresh install via the built in 'reset this pc' keeping nothing. You now have a legit, UEFI install of Win 11 without a TPM.
 
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Not to derail this thread to a Win11 vs. 10 discussion, but:
  • Oldest version of the OS that still supports the latest update:
    Windows 11 275 days = 276MB
    Windows 10 624 days = 695MB
  • One big update per year vs. two? I guess that's a plus, but you're still gonna be installing normal updates at the same rate.
  • Android apps are a good selling point, but emulators are pretty good too.
  • AutoHDR? Requires an HDR monitor and is also found on Windows 10.
  • DirectStorage is also coming to Windows 10.
  • Resource distribution changes are for dual core computers and such, it will literally have no effect for me, for example.
That said, upgrading to the latest and greatest and doing a full "Reset this PC" is a good advice.
 
Not to derail this thread to a Win11 vs. 10 discussion, but:
  • Oldest version of the OS that still supports the latest update:
    Windows 11 275 days = 276MB
    Windows 10 624 days = 695MB
  • One big update per year vs. two? I guess that's a plus, but you're still gonna be installing normal updates at the same rate.
  • Android apps are a good selling point, but emulators are pretty good too.
  • AutoHDR? Requires an HDR monitor and is also found on Windows 10.
  • DirectStorage is also coming to Windows 10.
  • Resource distribution changes are for dual core computers and such, it will literally have no effect for me, for example.
That said, upgrading to the latest and greatest and doing a full "Reset this PC" is a good advice.

FYI point 1, 3 and 6 are completely made up or nonsense. Please look into those technologies. RD has nothing to do with your dual core theory. Direct Storage comes to Win 10, but the algorithms are different and the first point is hindcasting, nothing to do with the future builds. There are so many more practical changes in Windows 11 that make it different. Whether you feel they're material, that's up to you.

Regarding the OP, the question has been answered?
I resent having to pay Windows rent for Windows 11 so I asked the person who sorts out my computer problems for advice and this is his reply.
1. Your Desktop and Laptop hardware will never take Windows
2. From October/November 2025 both your systems will in effect be obsolete, in effect too risky to use. Both will need to be replaced ideally.
4. You have 3 years and 4 months left to worry about this, my that your systems are coming to End of life in that time frame.
Either way, the TPM can be sidestepped by including a registry key
  • Registry Key: HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\Setup\MoSetup
  • Name: AllowUpgradesWithUnsupportedTPMOrCPU
  • Type: REG_DWORD
  • Value: 1
Then upgrade via Windows Update. Then do a fresh install via the built in 'reset this pc' keeping nothing. You now have a legit, UEFI install of Win 11 without a TPM barrier.
 
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