Would you go GTX 570 or 580?

ChrisUlrich

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Bang for buck, longevity, temps, performance. All factors involved, which video card would you go with?

SLi IS an option down the road, but would PREFER to stay single card. I dealt with heating issues on my GTX 295 and i'd like too avoid and scenario where that could rise up again.
 
I would take neither and instead go for a 6950 or 6970 - same performance as a 570, but for much less
 
The 580 performs better than the 6970 at very high resolutions and maxed out detail. Unless you are gaming above 1080p the performance difference is negligable, so I would suggest saving some cash and going for the 6970 as has been suggested by Aasti
 
The HD6970 could run Crysis 1 on 1920x1200 on Max Settings at good a playable framerate?

How much more performance does the 6970 have over the GTX 295?

With my old setup: Q9450 @ 3.4ghz, 4gb of DDR3 2000 ram, and a GTX 295 overclocked. I could not play Crysis 1 at max settings at 1920x1200. It wasn't an awful framerate but bad enough to where I couldn't play it.
 
The gtx 570 consistantly outperforms the 6970 and is about the same price. Sure it almost never wins by any large amounts, but point is it is indeed the stronger card at 1920x1200 resolution hands down.


Flashing a 6950 can be great bang for the buck, but there's no gaurantee whatsoever that you'll get a card that can unlock stable let alone overclock as good as a true 6970.

Here's two reviews I just googled,

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-hd-6970-radeon-hd-6950-cayman,2818.html

http://www.guru3d.com/article/radeon-6950-6970-review/1
 
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I heard that it's overclockable (The 570) to pass 580 performance as well. Is that true?

To surpass the 580 at stock speeds, yes, but that is true of just about any card. You can overclock a 560 to 570 speeds, you can overclock a 6950 to 6970 speeds.

If I was in your position right now, I would still take the 6950. You are talking at most 7-10 fps difference in games, but when you are already getting constant 60+, it doesn't matter, your average monitor at 60Hz refresh rate can only throw out 60FPS at most anyway.

you also have the chance, as 87dtna says, to flash it to a 6970, which would get you the same performance, but save you ~$100.

On that last point, paying 50% for an extra 10% performance gain, in my mind at least, isn't justified at all. It is true that as you go higher and higher end, the price/performance generally drops, but when you look at those figures, it is ridiculous to pay that much extra imho
 
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I don't think it's wise to buy a 6950 at all. SO you have a ''chance'' to unlock the card to a 6970....but with a gtx570 you'll be garaunteed to have better performance than a 6970 no matter what.

1920x1200 is the sweet spot for a 570 anyway, it's pretty much the resolution the card was designed for.
 
I don't think it's wise to buy a 6950 at all. SO you have a ''chance'' to unlock the card to a 6970....but with a gtx570 you'll be garaunteed to have better performance than a 6970 no matter what.

1920x1200 is the sweet spot for a 570 anyway, it's pretty much the resolution the card was designed for.

But you don't need 570 performance, or 6970 performance, the benchmarks clearly show that. When you are getting constant 60+FPS on full settings at those resolutions, anything else means nothing at all unless you get turned on by numbers related to performance.

In the real world, you will have an extra $100 in your pocket, and have a system that will game and do everything else other than benchmarks the exact same as the other 2 will
 
But you don't need 570 performance, or 6970 performance, the benchmarks clearly show that. When you are getting constant 60+FPS on full settings at those resolutions, anything else means nothing at all unless you get turned on by numbers related to performance.

In the real world, you will have an extra $100 in your pocket, and have a system that will game and do everything else other than benchmarks the exact same as the other 2 will

At 1920x1200, yes you do if you want eye candy settings.

BFBC2 is a popular game, this is only 1080p-

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The 6950 as you can see drops to 48 fps. With only 8x AA, the settings are not maxxed. 16x AA would take a huge hit in FPS on top of this, plus again it's only 1080 and he's on 1200.
 
63 fps average, meaning most of the time, it is 63 fps, so to quote a low, which could have been, and likely to have been, as brief as a fraction of a second doesn't really constitute it being unplayable or bad performance. I play full settings with my GTX 260 in most games, granted, at lower resolution, and sometimes it drops to 35-40 fps but it doesn't impact the experience or the game, because the majority of the time, I don't notice anyway and neither do most other people.

You can quote facts and figures all day, but when I play a game, I don't look at the numbers, and I don't benchmark every time I play. I look at the game, if things are going bad performance wise, knock the settings down (don't notice the settings change 99% of the time unless it is from highest to lowest) and it is still the same. I am a human, not a computer, and when a GTX260, a card that by today's standards is a slug can play every single game and barely break a sweat, and not show it's age to me or anyone else, the people sat behind the monitors and to who it matters, because it doesn't matter diddly squat to the computer, clearly a 6950 is plenty.

Go and ask someone who has one or who has used one if they are disappointed with the performance, even someone playing as 1200, and I would put a large bet on that they say they are not, and it is that which proves that benchmarks, for the most part, are about as much use as a chocolate kettle
 
I knew you were going to say that about the average FPS.....thats why I started with all the factors that were gonna drop the FPS even more but I guess that was overlooked in favor of being over the magic 60fps as an average......even though 1200 resolution will drop it ~3-5 FPS compared to 1080 and going to full 16x AA over 8x will drop it 10-15 FPS.

Anything under 50fps and I have noticeable lag, no matter if it's just a spike in a short occurance in a bad scene with a lot of explosions or something it's still avoidable by just going with the better card out of the gate. Perhaps those short occurances every now and then don't bother you, but they severly annoy me.
 
The HD6950 will not be as future proof as a GTX 570 since on the stock it performs better than the HD6950.
For more GPU intensive games which will be released in the future.
So with a GTX 570(OCed),GTX 580,HD 6970(OCed) you will have a better chance running those games.
The 6950 can be unlocked and set to 6970's clock to perform the same but overclocking 6970 will obviously give better performance.
I was going through the Shader unlocking guide of the 6950 and it was mentioned most of the cards they tried shader unlocking on were capable of it.
One card out of 40 from Asus cards they tried was unlockable and all the other brands they tried were unlockable.
http://www.techpowerup.com/articles/overclocking/vidcard/159
 
Be aware that with AMD, it's almost always like this with new products. The first ones in the line are usually successful unlockers.....then after a few months from the release you start getting more and more than won't unlock. Atleast it's been that way with every CPU thats been able to unlock, high success rate at first but drops off sharply after awhile. AMD probably does this on purpose to increase sales because the product has a good reputation, then they can start shipping the blems and screw you over. In short, it's not worth the risk at this point.

Plus, with all this said, he's already ordered the 570 anyway ;)
 
I knew you were going to say that about the average FPS.....thats why I started with all the factors that were gonna drop the FPS even more but I guess that was overlooked in favor of being over the magic 60fps as an average......even though 1200 resolution will drop it ~3-5 FPS compared to 1080 and going to full 16x AA over 8x will drop it 10-15 FPS.

Anything under 50fps and I have noticeable lag, no matter if it's just a spike in a short occurance in a bad scene with a lot of explosions or something it's still avoidable by just going with the better card out of the gate. Perhaps those short occurances every now and then don't bother you, but they severly annoy me.

Why just the 1080 benchmark in BBC2 to prove your point of the 570 being better at higher resolutions. When the higher you go the 6950 does better against it. When at 2560X1600 there is only 1 to 2 frames difference. Seems to be the other way around. The 570 does better at lower resolutions, the higher you go the 6950 does better.

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Because 1920x1080 is a lot closer to 1920x1200 than 2560x1600 is. The 6950 does better at 2560x1600 because the 570 only has 1.25gb of Vram which is a major bottleneck at that resolution. It's not any bottleneck at 1920x1200.

Thats also why the 480 pulls ahead of the 570 at 2560x1600, the extra vram. The 570 is clearly the stronger card than a 480 at 1920 resolutions.
 
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