Your Opinion: Bulldozer vs. Sandy Bridge

[87dtna]

I know this isn't what you're saying, but I actually have been wondering if Intel makes a larger barrier between what clock speed its chips can handle and what they clock them at compared to AMD. For example, I could EASILY run my Pentium 4 520 with 2.8 GHz stock at 3.2GHz without a voltage bump. Is this just some stupid thought or is it an actual possibility?

I'm not really sure what you are even asking here.

I had an E3200 celeron dual core, which is 2.4ghz stock, overclock to 3.4ghz on stock voltage and got it to 4.2ghz on air cooling.

 

[spynoodle]

I'm not really sure what you are even asking here.

I had an E3200 celeron dual core, which is 2.4ghz stock, overclock to 3.4ghz on stock voltage and got it to 4.2ghz on air cooling.

What I'm trying to say is that I think Intel is more conservative when it comes to clock speeds than AMD is. It seems like you can easily overclock an Intel CPU several hundred MHz above stock speed at its stock voltage. Do they just clock them lower for stability? Why don't they just clock it higher to begin with?

 

[Mez]

12 cores, efficient or not sounds pretty damn better than 1

I feel you my one core brother.

 

[87dtna]

What I'm trying to say is that I think Intel is more conservative when it comes to clock speeds than AMD is. It seems like you can easily overclock an Intel CPU several hundred MHz above stock speed at its stock voltage. Do they just clock them lower for stability? Why don't they just clock it higher to begin with?

Oh I see what you are saying.

Well I'm not really sure why they do that. Longevity is a concern, less heat, intel is typically faster clock for clock than the comparable AMD so they don't have to run as high of clocks, and of course it just makes them look better having a higher % of overclock across the board.

 

[spynoodle]

Oh I see what you are saying.

Well I'm not really sure why they do that. Longevity is a concern, less heat, intel is typically faster clock for clock than the comparable AMD so they don't have to run as high of clocks, and of course it just makes them look better having a higher % of overclock across the board.

True. A CPU will still consume more power and give off more heat when it's overclocked, stock volts or not, right?

 

[87dtna]

Yup.

 

[bomberboysk]

Hey, ATi pulled a fast one on nVidia, I think AMD could do the same to intel. However, the whole "lets add more cores" thing seems a little immature. You can relate having more cores to having more GPUs in a system sometimes, and I think this is one of those times. Lets say there's one rig with 4 5770s in CFX and another with two 5870s in CFX. I don't have any numbers, but my bet's on the 5870s because they're better cards and having two of them means that each one should be worth the investment. The 5770s on the other hand, will have issues with getting info across the cards fast enough, so minimal performance improvements will be seen. If the Bulldozers could completely shut off some cores if you chose to, that would be pretty cool because you'd get a better cross-core efficiency and if you were doing something like video rendering then you could turn on all of them and get the rendering done fast, but you'd have to be ready for heat. The Sandy Bridge idea is pretty cool, bringing the power of a quad-core to the average user, but that's just improving off of the Phenom II X4s or Athlon II X4s. Recently, AMD has been improving on Intel's ideas brought to the table. For example, after the Core2Quads came the Phenom II X4s (and maybe the Athlons too?) and with intel's 980X release came the 1090T and the 1055T. Now AMD has been thinking about their own version of HT which I don't have a link to, but that sounds interesting... However, this generation coming up seems to be AMD's time to shine.

1) AMD's "Version" of HT is nothing like HT, in fact, its the exact opposite of hyperthreading electrically speaking.

2) More cores is the future, more and more applications are making use of multithreading. We have reached the clockspeed limits pretty much.

3) There isnt gonna be much heat at idle, its the same way current chips are, they will have cool and quiet to downclock when at idle if you so choose.

 

[ScottALot]

1) AMD's "Version" of HT is nothing like HT, in fact, its the exact opposite of hyperthreading electrically speaking.

2) More cores is the future, more and more applications are making use of multithreading. We have reached the clockspeed limits pretty much.

3) There isnt gonna be much heat at idle, its the same way current chips are, they will have cool and quiet to downclock when at idle if you so choose.

Also have you noticed the format of the CPUs between AMD and Intel? Intel had a heat spreader while AMD had none and Intel had pads instead of pins while AMD still had pins, but now they have pads.

 

[bomberboysk]

Also have you noticed the format of the CPUs between AMD and Intel? Intel had a heat spreader while AMD had none and Intel had pads instead of pins while AMD still had pins, but now they have pads.

The IHS did nothing to improve thermal performance, if anything it hurt thermal performance. Intel only came out with the IHS to help prevent cracking of the die.

Intel also went with LGA vs PGA as it is cheaper to produce an LGA processor. I for one prefer PGA as the pins are much more sturdy than the LGA pins for sockets 775/1366/1156/etc, as LGA pins are much more fragile than PGA pins.

 

[spynoodle]

Intel also went with LGA vs PGA as it is cheaper to produce an LGA processor. I for one prefer PGA as the pins are much more sturdy than the LGA pins for sockets 775/1366/1156/etc, as LGA pins are much more fragile than PGA pins.

Yeah, but you've never bent pins on a processor before. *shudder*

 

[bomberboysk]

Yeah, but you've never bent pins on a processor before. *shudder*

I've seen plenty of bent pins, i have a little tool i made to straighten the pins actually(small metal tube), much easier than trying to bend the "pins" of an lga socket back into place, darn near impossible.

 

[spynoodle]

I've seen plenty of bent pins, i have a little tool i made to straighten the pins actually(small metal tube), much easier than trying to bend the "pins" of an lga socket back into place, darn near impossible.

Very true. I'm lucky that I've never had to deal with that (yet). You should market that tool, btw. Could've saved me a LOT of hassle last September.

 

[bomberboysk]

Very true. I'm lucky that I've never had to deal with that (yet). You should market that tool, btw. Could've saved me a LOT of hassle last September.

Haha, its not hard to make, just get a small hollow metal rod at your local hardware or hobby store.

 

[spynoodle]

Haha, its not hard to make, just get a small hollow metal rod at your local hardware or hobby store.

You could make some money off of it, though. If someone can sell the plastic microwave pasta maker then you can sell the CPU pin unbender. I can see the commercial now....*man tries to unbend pins, ends up snapping CPU in half. Uses metal rod and fixes it perfectly. Smiles contently*

 

[bomberboysk]

You could make some money off of it, though. If someone can sell the plastic microwave pasta maker then you can sell the CPU pin unbender. I can see the commercial now....*man tries to unbend pins, ends up snapping CPU in half. Uses metal rod and fixes it perfectly. Smiles contently*

Lol

 

[87dtna]

I agree with bomber. It's a lot easier to fix PGA bent pins on an AMD cpu than it is to fix LGA socket pins. Mostly because the socket pins are at an angle, cpu pins are straight up.

 

[DTM23]

You could make some money off of it, though. If someone can sell the plastic microwave pasta maker then you can sell the CPU pin unbender. I can see the commercial now....*man tries to unbend pins, ends up snapping CPU in half. Uses metal rod and fixes it perfectly. Smiles contently*

As much as I'd hate to say this, this 'tool' you speak of can be found anywhere: the metal tip of 0.5mm lead mechanical pencils is perfect for fixing bent pins.
Sry, no new invention

 

[spynoodle]

As much as I'd hate to say this, this 'tool' you speak of can be found anywhere: the metal tip of 0.5mm lead mechanical pencils is perfect for fixing bent pins.
Sry, no new invention

And all you need to make pasta is a pan and a stove, but now there's the ALL NEW MICROWAVE PLASTIC PASTA MAKER! $19.95 + $345 shipping and handling!

 

[spynoodle]

I just recently read on some news feed that Intel announced that Sandy Bridge would in fact have overclocking, but a clock limit on lower end models. They of course did say that there would be unlocked models and extreme models, I think. Did anyone else hear about it?

 

[linkin]

I stand by what i said before: everythis is speculation and rumours for now.

Altough I'm loving my new AMD build