AMD CPU/Socket Discussion Thread

Darren

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Well finally got some time today to mess with stuff. It's basically a requirement to download and install Ryzen Master as current software just doesn't support it enough. HWMonitor cannot read any usable CPU temp and none of the temps it does have are labelled. My RAM also is acting finnicky and doesn't seem to like Ryzen Master for memory overclocks. Gonna have to use BIOS for that as it BSOD's constantly. CPU overclocks it seems to handle quite well though. Holds steady at speed I set it too and doesn't require reboots constantly which is a huge help. Also realized that up until today I've been running at stock CPU voltage which has been a measly 1.18v even at 3.9GHz. Definitely get improved smoothness by bumping it up, will have to tweak it more.

Definitely advise caution to Ryzen overclockers though, not terribly stable yet and very little documentation makes it harder to track stuff down. I'll be working on a guide for it once I've figured out the kinks.

Edit: Definitely DO NOT use Ryzen Master for memory overclocking. I've never had so many blue screens in one day, was crashing at various settings even under what the sticks are rated for. Think I got it back to safety now but gawd damn that was a mess. Would BSOD on shutdown even.
 
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C4C

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how cheap are we talking about?

about $450 USD give or take $50 haha.. They really want another OS X machine though so I've been thinking a mini-ITX i5-6400 build for a while..

That's a whole different discussion though :p
 

Intel_man

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about $450 USD give or take $50 haha.. They really want another OS X machine though so I've been thinking a mini-ITX i5-6400 build for a while..

That's a whole different discussion though :p
Look into those Intel NUC's... they're pretty cheap. But I dont think you can grab an i5 build for under $500.
 

Darren

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Look into those Intel NUC's... they're pretty cheap. But I dont think you can grab an i5 build for under $500.


What else does it need?

https://www.amazon.com/Intel-NUC5i5...coding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=7G5V235C57WSBAR5FQTJ

To stay on topic, dear mother of God don't mess with your RAM if you know what's good for you. This is a pretty widespread issue apparently but I can't even get my stuff to stay running without BSOD let alone overclock it. Regretting not buying faster RAM of Corsair or GSkill. CMOS reset seems to have finally settled it, for now at least.

Out of curiosity, anybody have experience overclocking DDR4 RAM at all? My kit is only for 2400MHz but my CAS and voltage are fairly low which makes me think I can push it higher at some point.
 

Intel_man

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Uh well I guess you can stay under the $500 mark if you get the older NUC's. The new 7th gen i5 one probably starts at around 450-500.

You need RAM and a harddrive in either a m.2 or 2.5" for that one. Some NUCs only support m.2 ssd's. And of course... a copy of windows.

To stay on topic, dear mother of God don't mess with your RAM if you know what's good for you. This is a pretty widespread issue apparently but I can't even get my stuff to stay running without BSOD let alone overclock it. Regretting not buying faster RAM of Corsair or GSkill. CMOS reset seems to have finally settled it, for now at least.
Are you trying to overclock your RAM above what your ram is rated to run? Or are you trying to overclock your ram above what is "officially" supported by AMD on that processor?
 

Intel_man

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If you get a NUC that supports thunderbolt 3, then you can always expand with an external GPU setup... which will be a wicked setup to game on the go.
 

Darren

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Uh well I guess you can stay under the $500 mark if you get the older NUC's. The new 7th gen i5 one probably starts at around 450-500.

You need RAM and a harddrive in either a m.2 or 2.5" for that one. Some NUCs only support m.2 ssd's. And of course... a copy of windows.


Are you trying to overclock your RAM above what your ram is rated to run? Or are you trying to overclock your ram above what is "officially" supported by AMD on that processor?

I wouldn't even presume that anything is officially supported right now lol. :) My mobo claims to support 2667MHz and 2933MHz with an overclock. My kit is DDR4 2400MHz CAS15 1.2V dual channel. It does NOT support XMP profiles but my motherboard loads one up for it at 2400MHz that matches my specs. Randomly blue screens with that or without that on. Used to run it fine. If I load defaults or set to auto it sometimes does 2400 and sometimes 2133. I've tried slight voltage bumps and underclocking it as well at 2133. Just general weirdness all over and BSOD's when opening CPU-Z, shutting down the computer, playing RL, or really anything at all. I ran a few minutes of memtest but I don't think they're bad as I ran most of this week with XMP on at 2400MHz.

Right now I'm at 2133MHz which is what it detected after CMOS reset. This has all been on the latest BIOS out for it. When I first got it I had similar issues but they disappeared with a flash to newer BIOS. It seems like it's easy to freak out and once you do you need to reset CMOS or flash it despite options not changing.

http://www.asrock.com/mb/AMD/X370 Killer SLIac/#Specification

I'm not looking to change anything now, but is it reasonable to think I could bump up to 2667MHz as I have voltage and CAS headroom? I'd be less concerned about it but Ryzen apparently scales well with RAM speed.
 

lucasbytegenius

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Finally got my Ryzen build together, been busy at SXSW this week.
Turns out I ordered the wrong RAM initially, which was tough to diagnose because the system wouldn't even POST, no video output, nothing. I got dual-rank DIMMs when I thought I got single-rank, but I got some better stuff the second time around, Corsair LPX 3200Mhz, which I could only get up to 2933Mhz and still POST. Hopefully a BIOS update will let me overclock this stuff.
Haven't done any CPU overclocking yet, waiting on my new case to arrive to fit my H110i cooler.

Temps are weirdly high, I tried removing the included thermal paste on the H110i and applied some Arctic Silver, but they're still 50c-60c idle. During games it's up in the mid 70s, which makes me uncomfortable and I'm pretty certain an AIO loop should cool a lot better than that. No idea what the problem is. Corsair Link says the block is around 30c while the CPU is at 60c, which is very off.

I also got an M.2 SSD, Samsung 960 Evo, the thing is wicked fast.

Game performance is so much better than my 8320, hitting a steady 100 fps in BF1.
 

lucasbytegenius

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Lowered the voltage to 1.365 and now it goes up to about 1.417 and doesn't exceed that. Also wondering if maybe HWInfo's readings are off, this is what it looks like under stress:
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Corsair Link:
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Maybe the ASUS reading of 56c is the correct temperature and the other reading of 77c is off? That's what's making the most sense to me right now.

EDIT: facepalm. AMD has a 20c offset in the sensors for a very stupid reason: https://www.techpowerup.com/231473/amd-says-ryzen-1700x-1800x-have-a-temperature-reporting-offset

So my motherboard is reporting the correct temp of 56c. Nice.
 
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mistersprinkles

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My first guess is that your temperature readings are faulty, my second guess is a bad cooler mount. Are you using the am4 specific mount?
 

Darren

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It's incredible how different our voltages are. I can push 3.6GHz at 1.185v stable pretty much. I bumped up to 1.325ish and temps still were well within comfortable range. Started getting memory issues though so dumped my CPU back to stock for now.

Feel lucky your RAM is cooperative somewhat. According to Event Viewer I've had almost 50 critical system errors in the past 7 days. Most of which in the past few. Forums everywhere seem to have a lot of people on various configurations capped at 2133 MHz. I can't even get mine stable at that. :p Just reflashed same BIOS and trying something else.

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What software are you using to monitor stuff? CPU-Z and HWMonitor both aren't quite accurate as my vCore is half what it should be and no CPU temp anywhere. Edit: I should read. HWInfo.
 

lucasbytegenius

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I'm using CPU-Z and HWInfo, voltages are correct in both. HWinfo shows individual cores pegged at 1.550 constant but the CPU VDDCR is at 1.384, so some things are off.
 

StrangleHold

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One could be reading from the cpu socket sensor and the other from the CPU itself. AMDs have never read that well on any programs.
 

Darren

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CPU-Z reads my vCore at exactly half of what it is. HWInfo shows me 1.55 which obviously isn't right, and Ryzen Master seems accurate at 1.1875 stock. HWMonitor is all but useless for me so I'm not even bothering with it now.

I'm still not stable but making progress I think. Kinda just trying random stuff at this point.
 

Jiniix

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Glad to read I'm not the only one having issues :D
2x16GB 2400MHz Corsair LPX + ASUS Hero.
OCCT 4.5 gives me memory errors, but doesn't crash the system. Memtest ran for 48+ hrs gives me no errors. Running CAS16/1.2v.
My CPU voltage is everywhere, from 0.5 to 1.55, regardless if I use Auto, Offset or Manual mode. At load @ 3.6GHz it's like 1.172v, but can't keep stable with [email protected].
Going to attempt BLCK overclocking, maybe today. Really want to keep the 36x multiplier, so it can ramp up and down in speeds automatically.
 

Darren

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I got it. Finally.

Went down to 1 stick at 2133 and CAS just cranked to 20 to see if it was stable. Nope. Flashed latest BIOS, load defaults, and then manually set all timings for RAM in BIOS. It has 2 different spots within the BIOS and sometimes one would be auto and other on or vice versa. Disabled XMP and set manually to match it at 2400MHz CAS 15 15 15 45 1.2v . Had tried that before but was on an older BIOS. Got the one stick working then added back the second. Also enabled LLC on CPU and RAM which seems to help.

Running auto voltage on everything still just LLC stepping in at load. CPU and RAM both are at 1.2v.

Set BIOS to 3.6GHz and I scored 2080/18K ish in CPU-Z. Will try more tomorrow but am really glad I at least got my RAM stable. Amazon did approve my return request though so if it clocks like garb I might swing a 3000MHz kit.
 

Intel_man

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Hopefully that's a bios/software issue with the RAM stability because the last thing you want it to be is a problem with the IMC.

@Darren, how valid is this photo?
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