Where is DX12 support and benefits?

I don't know if this thread is in the right place but here we go.

When I heard about DX12 and read up on it/watched videos on it I was hyped. I was sure that it would be the next big thing and really move the game industry forward. I was expecting bigger, more complicated games with better graphics and roughly similar overhead to what had come before it. Barely any games support DX12 almost 3 years post release. What gives?

I've heard that DX12 is complicated, that it doesn't offer much benefit over DX11 in most use cases, etc. Do you guys have anything to add? Wouldn't it be beneficial for devs to use the latest API when developing a game? Is it more expensive to develop games on a new API?
 

Calin

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DX12 is only supported on Windows 10, so the devs would lose profit because (probably) a good ammount of their buyers are still on 7/8/8.1
BF1 has DX12 support but I can't use SLI with it on.
 
That's true although Windows 10 is on a large number of computers. 44 percent still use windows 7 and 29 percent are on windows 10. Those stubborn holdouts smh.
 
Windows 10 is better than 7 or 8. Microsoft offered a FREE upgrade to 10. Frankly I think it's silly not to take that offer. I understand users who were wary of teething problems and driver support but there was a lot of incentive to upgrade with little risk. You could always just revert back. It wasn't risk free but it was pretty good.
 

voyagerfan99

Master of Turning Things Off and Back On Again
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Windows 10 is better than 7 or 8. Microsoft offered a FREE upgrade to 10. Frankly I think it's silly not to take that offer. I understand users who were wary of teething problems and driver support but there was a lot of incentive to upgrade with little risk. You could always just revert back. It wasn't risk free but it was pretty good.
That's hardly my reason for staying on 8.1. 10 sucks. Every new update breaks something.
 

Agent Smith

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Don't EVEN get me started on 10 and it's clowness. LOL!

I won't be using 10 until maybe 7-10 years from now when I finally build a new computer. And then I will install a hardware-based firewall and block all of M$'s ASNs. I don't even use "updates" anyway. No malware or any of that crap. And this whole asinine idea that if you don't upgrade to the greatest and "best" OS is a fallacy. I run XP in a netbook that is a FTP and Team Speak server. It has never gotten malware or has been "hacked."

I guess it all depends on how you use things and what you do and the security you deploy. Sure, if your a dumb no nothing about computers and what not, then by all means use 10 and accept all those wonderful updates. But I can guarantee you that you are still just as likely to get malware especially polymorphic malware as the guy who doesn't use updates. I can't tell you how many posts I see on forums about people you have a virus or an update royally messed with their current computer configuration.

To be honest. If M$ didn't make 10 where they push updates down your throat, have a built-in keylogger, and throw ADs in your face among other garbage. I would have upgraded my OS a long time ago. But nooooo, all about that greed. Redmond has effectively turned you into their little bitch cash cow.
 

Agent Smith

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On the subject of DX12. I can careless right now. I mostly play FSX and BF2 with the AIX mod which is fantastic. I'd like to play GTA V, actually. But I have other FSX financial commitments right now. Bad enough I barely played GTA IV. Only played it on my Bros Comp. when he had it. Was a nice game, but pisses me off I couldn't use my game pad. I guess you have to use M$'s game pad? I swear. Anything M$ touches turns to shit. Just like that royal F up of Perfect Dark for Xbox. The N64 version is the real classic. And Flight Simulator? There's more bugs and BS with that game. It just plays nicely enough for me to enjoy. There's a lot that should have been done. One is the crumby ATC (Air Traffic Control). No, I won't use X-Plane or anything else. I tried the demo and wasn't really impressed. If and when I win the lotto, and depending on how much my pay day is, I'm going to start a new Flight Sim platform and hire some of the best game developing talent I can. It will truly utilize multiple threads and the GPU. It will have fantastic ATC and eye candy. I reckon the whole thing will fit on one or two Blu--ray disks. And of course it might take at least 5 years to develop, but I'm a perfectionist. Maybe it will use DX12 or DX15. LOL I can dream, can't I? :D
 

Darren

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Staff member
Don't EVEN get me started on 10 and it's clowness. LOL!

I won't be using 10 until maybe 7-10 years from now when I finally build a new computer. And then I will install a hardware-based firewall and block all of M$'s ASNs. I don't even use "updates" anyway. No malware or any of that crap. And this whole asinine idea that if you don't upgrade to the greatest and "best" OS is a fallacy. I run XP in a netbook that is a FTP and Team Speak server. It has never gotten malware or has been "hacked."

I guess it all depends on how you use things and what you do and the security you deploy. Sure, if your a dumb no nothing about computers and what not, then by all means use 10 and accept all those wonderful updates. But I can guarantee you that you are still just as likely to get malware especially polymorphic malware as the guy who doesn't use updates. I can't tell you how many posts I see on forums about people you have a virus or an update royally messed with their current computer configuration.

To be honest. If M$ didn't make 10 where they push updates down your throat, have a built-in keylogger, and throw ADs in your face among other garbage. I would have upgraded my OS a long time ago. But nooooo, all about that greed. Redmond has effectively turned you into their little bitch cash cow.

I really gotta ask. What do you do for a living? Are you in the IT industry, or are computers just a side hobby? You seem really out of touch to say that security updates are worthless. If you don't like automatic updates that's one thing but outright saying that you're better off without security updates is pretty much false in almost every single use case.
 
We're getting off topic. DX12 reduces CPU overhead, improves resource management, streamlines the draw-call process, etc. I'm not an expert when it comes to API's but an API's job is to bridge the gap between hardware and software. From my understanding, DX12 makes the game developer's job easier. So aren't devs taking advantage of it? Devs jumped onto DX11 in a heartbeat.
 

_Kyle_

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We're getting off topic. DX12 reduces CPU overhead, improves resource management, streamlines the draw-call process, etc. I'm not an expert when it comes to API's but an API's job is to bridge the gap between hardware and software. From my understanding, DX12 makes the game developer's job easier. So aren't devs taking advantage of it? Devs jumped onto DX11 in a heartbeat.
The thing is that lot's of people don't have the latest and greatest, so DX12 would not be very profitable in mt opinion.
 
This is true BUT a ton of cards support DX12. From the GTX 950 and up plus mobile chips on the Nvidia side. That's great support. According to the steam hardware survey, 93 percent of users have a DX12 capable graphics card. So the hardware support is there in spades.
 
I see. Makes sense. I'd still like to know what effect, if any, does DX12 have on game development. Does it make it easier? Does it allow for devs to do more with their games that they couldn't do with DX11? I don't know.

I definitely fell for the hype. Given how transformative DX11 was, I expected DX12 to be just as big. But its only been a few years so there is still room for DX12 to grow.
 

Darren

Moderator
Staff member
We're getting to the point where huge gains in performance or graphics fidelity aren't really possible as games are getting closer to lifelike visuals and you can only improve so much.

Forza 7 on PC is borderline lifelike and runs really well. It is DirectX12 and was one of the first games in a while that's really impressed me graphically. 4K 60 FPS locked with every setting manually cranked and my 1080 hums along at 50-60% usage with good scaling across 8 cores. I'm sure on much more moderate hardware it would still cruise along fine. Definitely benefits from DX12 but also makes sense that it does so well given the publisher is Microsoft themselves.
 

Agent Smith

Well-Known Member
I really gotta ask. What do you do for a living? Are you in the IT industry, or are computers just a side hobby? You seem really out of touch to say that security updates are worthless. If you don't like automatic updates that's one thing but outright saying that you're better off without security updates is pretty much false in almost every single use case.


Much like Dr. House, I'm unorthodoxed. And I'm living proof you don't need updates. I haven't used them since 2004 from XP to Win 7. But to each his own.

If it was a Linux server it be a different case.
 

Intel_man

VIP Member
On the subject of DX12. I can careless right now. I mostly play FSX and BF2 with the AIX mod which is fantastic. I'd like to play GTA V, actually. But I have other FSX financial commitments right now. Bad enough I barely played GTA IV. Only played it on my Bros Comp. when he had it. Was a nice game, but pisses me off I couldn't use my game pad. I guess you have to use M$'s game pad? I swear. Anything M$ touches turns to shit. Just like that royal F up of Perfect Dark for Xbox. The N64 version is the real classic. And Flight Simulator? There's more bugs and BS with that game. It just plays nicely enough for me to enjoy. There's a lot that should have been done. One is the crumby ATC (Air Traffic Control). No, I won't use X-Plane or anything else. I tried the demo and wasn't really impressed. If and when I win the lotto, and depending on how much my pay day is, I'm going to start a new Flight Sim platform and hire some of the best game developing talent I can. It will truly utilize multiple threads and the GPU. It will have fantastic ATC and eye candy. I reckon the whole thing will fit on one or two Blu--ray disks. And of course it might take at least 5 years to develop, but I'm a perfectionist. Maybe it will use DX12 or DX15. LOL I can dream, can't I? :D
Prepar3d > FSX.
 
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