Never said you didn't. We're comparing two computers. 1 with a faster GPU than the other. Buy that one. You gotta understand I agree with you for the most part on everything you're saying but he asked for a comparison of these 2 computers, one with a way faster GPU (and thus better gaming computer).
I agree, in the short term it will be the better gaming PC, but I trying to take into consideration the PC's lifespan, it was just my opinion that he would probably upgrade the gpu at some point and at this point it would become the better gaming pc.
This is deeply flawed logic. Especially since it's already happening.
One day I will die of old age I hope, it has already started, so by your logic is I'm going to die soon, I really hoped to live many more years, I have so many more debates left in me. Something starting has no indication of when or if it will be finished. My point is multiple thread have been around for over a decade and still today the overwhelming number of games still suck at using them, AAA games are using more cores better and that's great, but for each one of those games there are likely a few thousand other games that don't. To clear this up, I have never said multiple threads suck, I have never said that they aren't the future, I believe they are the future, but I just don't believe the 1400 will one day be faster than the 8400 just because it has more threads, even now in multi thread application it gets wrecked. My point has always been that there is no point in choosing I high core count cpu over one which has less, when the one that has less is more powerful. Of course you could buy a cpu that would theoretically be more powerful than another if I were to use all of it cores effectively, you may have the faith it will happen soon, but history shows it can take years.
I never said IPC or single core performance is irrelevant. The point is that Ryzen (when overclocked to ~4.0GHz) is more than enough for gaming (except the ultra high end) and the vast bulk of your performance will stem from a faster GPU. Future proofing be damned, the 1070 machine is a better gaming machine as it stands off the shelf right now. This is a fact that you can't disagree with.
Ok, again I have never disagreed with this, everyone knows the 1070 is faster than the 1060, please stop bringing this non issue up. Future proofing be damned are words that will be regretted in the future and likely not a distant one. I offered my opinion that I would take the slower gaming pc now, but the faster future one, when having that extra cpu performance will count for more.
With a matched GPU you'd win every day of the week. And you should, and I never said any different. I'm not saying higher core count is always better. I owned an 8320 and got severely burned with that mentality. The single core performance was laughable. Intel chips usually are better for strictly gaming purposes when comparing similarly priced models. Ryzen systems are within a close margin of gaming performance while excelling at everything else. I don't even game that much anymore, I'm just a hardware enthusiast. My machine is massive overkill. I run 1440p at 60Hz so the 1700 vs an 8700K for instance is pointless as the framerate is capped below where you'd even find that difference.
My ultimate point with all of this is the 1070 based machine is a better gaming computer. The 8400 is a better gaming CPU than the 1400 (even overclocked). I never said it wasn't. Hell the 8400 is probably a "better" gaming CPU than my 1700 except in heavily multithreaded games. But between the two systems the 1070 based machine is a better gaming computer. As a perk it has better upgradeability options. I'm not gonna keep running in circles about this, you're not even really debating the same thing as what I'm trying to say.
I agree with all this and I too feel like do not understand what I'm trying to say. Like you say the 8400 is a better gaming cpu, which is why I would want it, the 1070 is better than the 1060, but its normal to upgrade and once upgraded the intel build will no doubt be better and in my opinion the limited upgradeability options (talking cpu's here) are a waste of money for gaming, in a few years when it comes time to upgrade they will be obsolete, there will also be new motherboard technology's released he would miss out on.
As has been stated multiple times, he'd only need to upgrade the processor.
As stated multiple times, he would only need to upgrade his gpu, it is normal for gamers to upgrade this, so actually what you are saying he will need to upgrade his gpu and cpu.
The 2600X is a superior processor to the 8400 in gaming
How superior? Did you know they are very close when it comes to gaming performance, so close the 8400 often beats it. Also this would be a complete waste of money in this particular situation.
Sure, he may not need to upgrade the processor
Colour me confused.
The OP would be stuck on Coffee Lake
Yes, he will be stuck with a better cpu, which like you say he may not need to upgrade, well he will need to upgrade, but not before both platforms are irrelevant.
but he'll have to spend $500 on a GPU
Why, is there a gun to his head? We have no idea about future gpu pricing and performance.
he'll still have to do a full motherboard/ processor/ RAM upgrade 3 to 4 years later
The AM4 socket will be supported until 2020
See what I did here^^
3 years sounds way too early in my opinion, 4 to 5, he could keep it even longer, has he told you how long he wants to keep it? For gaming the cpu will likely keep up for the next 4-5 years, maybe longer, its hard tell for sure and we can only go off history. Unlike you, I'm not going jump to the conclusion that the OP is going to run out and buy a new cpu just because its getting a little low, 20 years of building computers for people I have found they are all very different, I only offer advice based on fact and leave the decisions to them, I was asked my opinion and gave it, I never even opposed the 1400 build. By the time he NEEDS to upgrade both platforms will be irrelevant and he will need to buy motherboard/ processor/ RAM anyway, but this will come sooner with the slower 1400 build.
100 dollars more, plus the cpu you think he needs to upgrade:
and he could upgrade to a 2600X/ 2700X
For 144Hz gaming, no question he needs a 1070. It's that simple.
No, it is definitely NOT simple. My 1080 can and can't do 144hz, my 1050 can and can't do 144hz, its also possible that my 1050 can do 144hz when my 1080 can't. why is this? Do I need to explain this? I can, but damn I've been here long enough, I don't want another long-winded post.
By the time he needs to upgrade, both platforms will be irrelevant and he won't have a damn 1060 or 1070 anymore.
I can accept and I understand your opinions, but I disagree with them. The above questions I will just say are rhetorical. Peace, I'm out.