My new built

[Nick1328]

My soon to be new built! The wife's PC keeps playing up, and had intended to built a new PC for some time. Taking this opportunity of my enforced idleness to actually do it.

It's about time that I try out this new craze of all the bling of a glass case with RGB lighting. Case, PSU and cooling wise, I wanted to try out the GameMax range to see if there are any catches in the low prices, as they seem far cheaper than the usual suspects of Coolermaster, Corsair, Thermaltake, etc. In terms of graphics, the 2080 ti is way too expensive for not much more performance than the 2080 Super, so I settled for the latter. The 1 GB PCIe 4 M2 drive seems a steal at not much more than a comparable PCIe 3 drive. Any other suggestions on improving the specs for not much more money? I choose the 3900X over the 9900KF it seems a better CPU for about the same price, and I also wanted to benefit of a PCIe 4 drive on the X570 chipset.

AMD Ryzen 9 3900X Processor.
MSI Nvidia Geforce RTX 2080 Super.
MSI MPG X570 Gaming Edge WIFI ATX Motherboard.
32 GB Crucial Ballistix 3200 MHz RAM.
Sabrent 1TB Rocket Nvme PCIe 4.0 M.2 Drive.
Seagate 4 TB 3.5 Inch Barracuda Hard Drive.
GameMax PREDATOR Full-Tower RGB PC Gaming Case.
Ubanner Wireless (6pcs RGB fans, RF Remote Control).
Game Max RGB-850 850 W Modular 80 Plus Gold.
Game Max Iceberg 240 mm Water Cooling System with 7 Colour PWM Fan.

 

[OmniDyne]

My new built

My soon to be new built

Do you mean build?

In terms of graphics, the 2080 ti is way too expensive for not much more performance than the 2080 Super

Not sure that's entirely true. It really depends on what you're doing.

The 1 GB PCIe 4 M2 drive seems a steal at not much more than a comparable PCIe 3 drive.

If $60 to $100 is "not much more" to you.

choose the 3900X over the 9900KF it seems a better CPU for about the same price

If you're gaming, the 9900KF is superior.

and I also wanted to benefit of a PCIe 4 drive on the X570 chipset.

What will your wife do on this computer where PCIe 4.0 will be of any benefit?

 

[Nick1328]

hmm...some very negative people on here. But thanks for the reply anyway.

 

[OmniDyne]

hmm...some very negative people on here. But thanks for the reply anyway.

Your original post contains statements that are untrue or subjective.

 

[Nick1328]

Do you mean build?



Not sure that's entirely true. It really depends on what you're doing.



If $60 to $100 is "not much more" to you.



If you're gaming, the 9900KF is superior.



What will your wife do on this computer where PCIe 4.0 will be of any benefit?

1/ Most probably, thanks for picking that up.

2/ There is around a 50% price increase between the 2 in the UK, while the increase in performance is around 15-20%. The Super can be had for around £620-£650, while the ti is around £950-£1000.

3/ The price difference is much narrower in the UK. A decent PCIe 3 M2 drive, say a Samsung evo 1 TB is around £155, while the Sabrent 1TB PCIe is £160.

4/ In most cases, and in most reviews, the 3900x is consider the better all-rounder.

5/ She won't. She gets my old PC, while I get to play with the new toy.

 

[Nick1328]

Your original post contains statements that are untrue or subjective.

I would say that most statements about values are subjective. Do you want to get in a debate about the nature of truth and objectivity?

 

[Intel_man]

You just sound defensive about your justification for selecting those components when OmniDyne had some valid questions on your build.

Keep in mind, price differences in various countries would ultimately change the perspective of how we value products out there and until you disclosed where you live or are purchasing from (which you later did by using GBP as the currency), most of us would assume and compare products in the US market.

 

[Nick1328]

You just sound defensive about your justification for selecting those components when OmniDyne had some valid questions on your build.

Keep in mind, price differences in various countries would ultimately change the perspective of how we value products out there and until you disclosed where you live or are purchasing from (which you later did by using GBP as the currency), most of us would assume and compare products in the US market.

How was I being 'defensive' to a very negative post? What were the 'valid' questions?

 

[beers]

Damn yo, y’all need to chill with the pedantry. Like the first line of the first reply even, nothing says ‘welcome, how may we assist you’ like criticizing someone over the most minor irrelevant detail immediately. Totally rude.

That looks like a decent list, not particularly familiar with the game max brand however. Not sure I’d cheap out too much on the psu if you want something to last. I also wouldn’t pay that premium for the Ti. What are you using for a monitor?

SSD wise that doesn’t sound like a bad play. Samsung is generally overpriced in the market lately. I was also considering one of those but generally shop on things like slickdeals

what are you upgrading from as well? I always felt that new builds were exciting, additionally so if your wife also enjoys playing (my wife’s itx in the sig ).

do you have a dollar/quid target amount? That usually helps for planning options.

 

[Nick1328]

Damn yo, y’all need to chill with the pedantry. Like the first line of the first reply even, nothing says ‘welcome, how may we assist you’ like criticizing someone over the most minor irrelevant detail immediately. Totally rude.

That looks like a decent list, not particularly familiar with the game max brand however. Not sure I’d cheap out too much on the psu if you want something to last. I also wouldn’t pay that premium for the Ti. What are you using for a monitor?

SSD wise that doesn’t sound like a bad play. Samsung is generally overpriced in the market lately. I was also considering one of those but generally shop on things like slickdeals

what are you upgrading from as well? I always felt that new builds were exciting, additionally so if your wife also enjoys playing (my wife’s itx in the sig ).

do you have a dollar/quid target amount? That usually helps for planning options.

Thanks for a civil post. £2000 is my very upper limit, and it's come out at £1890, so I have about a hundred to mess around with. Will take the advice about the GameMax PSU, it's does seem rather too good to be true, but it's already on order due to be delivered today, so might be too late to change now. That said, the specs seem decent, and it's about 20-30% cheaper than a comparable 'branded' version. Let's see how that develops.

My wife has a cheap office PC, which with a 22 inch monitor, keyboard and mouse costed less than the 2080 Super when bought new 5 years ago. She'd be getting my present rig, which I built at about the same time in preparation for the then up-coming VR revolution. It's a five year rig, but it still does most tasks competently. Monitor wise, I think I'll stick with my present 43 inch 4K (non-gaming, 60 hz, 5 ms response) monitor. I'd be using that to mainly watch 4K content, and most of my games are played on the original Vive headset, which is quite decent with super sampling.

Cooler Master HAF X
Intel i7 5930K
Asus X99-A/U3.1
Corsair Hydro Series H80i
Asus Gtx 980 ti
Corsair CMK32GX4M4A2400C14 Vengeance LPX 32GB (4x 8GB)
500 MB M2 PCIe
2TB SATA lll HDD

 

[SI Polash]

OMG! You have the most advance configuration.

 

[ssal]

It's an enviable configuration. It costs twice as much as the one I built a few months back. Obviously, your budget is a lot more liberal than mine.

I know not much about gaming. I use mine for video editing which has the same graphic requirement as gaming, may be less.

I would ask, with this very premium built, why not up the memory to 64gb? I think it is something like the more, the better.

I also wonder why you need 4 tb of internal HDD? I would use a 2TB internal, and invest on a 10TB external for backup.

My take. Hope they are not too negative.

 

[Nick1328]

It's an enviable configuration. It costs twice as much as the one I built a few months back. Obviously, your budget is a lot more liberal than mine.

I know not much about gaming. I use mine for video editing which has the same graphic requirement as gaming, may be less.

I would ask, with this very premium built, why not up the memory to 64gb? I think it is something like the more, the better.

I also wonder why you need 4 tb of internal HDD? I would use a 2TB internal, and invest on a 10TB external for backup.

My take. Hope they are not too negative.

Not at all. It's nice to get constructive feedback.

64 GB ram was in my mind, but I choose 32 in the hope of saving some money for other things (the original case, PSU and cooler that I had in mind would put the budget over £2K), figuring that 32 is sufficient for now, and that I can always add another 32 at a later date. Before anyone asks, I don't NEED 64 GB, I just like the idea.

The price difference between a 4 TD and a 2TD drive was minimal, (80 v 60), so I thought I'd get the higher capacity drive even though if comes at only 5400 RPM as opposed to 7200 on the 2TB. I'd using mainly the M2 drive for most day to day tasks, and the HDD for long term storage.

 

[OmniDyne]

Damn yo, y’all need to chill with the pedantry. Like the first line of the first reply even, nothing says ‘welcome, how may we assist you’ like criticizing someone over the most minor irrelevant detail immediately. Totally rude.

When you're right, you're right. My apologies.

There is around a 50% price increase between the 2 in the UK, while the increase in performance is around 15-20%. The Super can be had for around £620-£650, while the ti is around £950-£1000.

I see what you're saying. That being said, you stated that the 2080ti "is way too expensive for not much more performance than the 2080 Super"; it's a subjective statement and I'm unsure as to why it was included in your original post. The 2080ti can outperform the 2080 Super sometimes by considerable margins; to some this is important.

The price difference is much narrower in the UK. A decent PCIe 3 M2 drive, say a Samsung evo 1 TB is around £155, while the Sabrent 1TB PCIe is £160.

And what are non-Samsung PCIe 3.0 SSDs sitting at in your country? There are tons of other cheaper options that may be equal or superior to the 970 EVO. If you're not going to use the Sabrent to its full potential then I wouldn't waste the money, just as you wouldn't on the 2080ti.

In most cases, and in most reviews, the 3900x is consider the better all-rounder.

The 9900K outperforms the 3900X in every title, sometimes by a significant margin. In the interest of being practical, the 9700K would make the most sense; it not only outperforms the 3900X in just about every title (if not all), it's almost $100 cheaper.

 

[Nick1328]

When you're right, you're right. My apologies.



I see what you're saying. That being said, you stated that the 2080ti "is way too expensive for not much more performance than the 2080 Super"; it's a subjective statement and I'm unsure as to why it was included in your original post. The 2080ti can outperform the 2080 Super sometimes by considerable margins; to some this is important.



And what are non-Samsung PCIe 3.0 SSDs sitting at in your country? There are tons of other cheaper options that may be equal or superior to the 970 EVO. If you're not going to use the Sabrent to its full potential then I wouldn't waste the money, just as you wouldn't on the 2080ti.



The 9900K outperforms the 3900X in every title, sometimes by a significant margin. In the interest of being practical, the 9700K would make the most sense; it not only outperforms the 3900X in just about every title (if not all), it's almost $100 cheaper.

1/ The statement that the ti is considerably more expensive (50% more!) than the Super is not a subjective statement, but a simple fact. It is also a fact it offers about 15-20% increase in performance for that 50% increase in price. I am not sure how this can be considered 'subjective'. The fact that I think that the Super represent better for money and therefore my choice is subjective. Someone else might go for the ti because they feel that the extra performance justifies the big price difference. That would also be a subjective choice. But then again, are not all choices by definition, subjective? I fail to see what point you are trying to make here.

2/ Cheaper than the Samsung evo is an objective statement, but 'equal or better' in what sense? What metrics are you using, and whatever it is, isn't that being rather subjective?

3/ The 9700K might be better at gaming (where the extra cores of the 3900X do not matter too much), but all reviews that I've read consider the 3900X to be a better all rounder with newer technology. I suppose if gaming is your major concern, than the 9700K might indeed be the better choice, but what if the choice is based on different metrics (eg., newer tech, video editing, manipulating large data sets etc). In the end, the choice is based on personal preferences of what is important, so therefore must be subjective. I am not really sure about why you think that most personal choices can be objective. Also, the 9900K might be $100 cheaper your end, but here across the pond, it's about the same price. If anything, the 3900X tends to be about £15-£20 cheaper.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Intel-Core...0k&qid=1581774306&sprefix=9900,aps,141&sr=8-2

https://www.amazon.co.uk/AMD-Ryzen-...0x&qid=1581774348&sprefix=3900,aps,146&sr=8-1

 

[Nick1328]

An update: the build is now completed, and very happy with the result. Had a bit of a problem at the first start-up when the machine failed to detect the GPU and froze during POST. Turned out that I had failed to insert the RAM in all the way. Wasted a couple of hours checking where the problem was (or gained an extra couple hours of entertainment, take your pick). This leads me to the only major complain I have regarding the system. You do indeed get what you paid for, at least with cases. The so-called GameMax full tower case is in effect a slightly larger midi, and the badly designed interior means that spaces were very tight and difficult to work with. This is my excuse for making that simply stupid error, and I am sticking to it. Cable management is also terrible. The save grace is that it is a really pretty case (a classic case of form over substance) and dirt cheap. A similar style and size case from the better known brands would cost £200+, while this is in the region of £75. I would recommend the case for a budget build, but for anything more serious, this case should be given a wide berth (and yes, those were subjective opinions).

 

[OmniDyne]

The statement that the ti is considerably more expensive (50% more!) than the Super is not a subjective statement

That wasn't your statement.

The fact that I think that the Super represent better for money and therefore my choice is subjective.

Bingo. Good job, you're learning.

Cheaper than the Samsung evo is an objective statement, but 'equal or better' in what sense? What metrics are you using, and whatever it is, isn't that being rather subjective?

There are SSDs on the market utilizing Toshiba NAND and Phison controller combinations that outperform the 970 EVO for cheaper; these same drives also happen to have double the TBW warranty for the same amount of years (5). So objectively speaking, (by metric of course) this makes the 970 EVO inferior.

I suppose if gaming is your major concern, than the 9700K might indeed be the better choice

Bingo. Again, that's not what you stated:

I choose the 3900X over the 9900KF it seems a better CPU for about the same price

and yes, those were subjective opinions

I'm really very proud of you.

Hopefully, next time you can ask for help without interjecting false statements and preconceived opinions.

 

[Nick1328]

To Omnidyne:

I am indeed learning. I learnt that there are some very arrogant, thought with very questionable reading ability, people on this forum. If a 50% increase in price for a 15-20% increase in performance is not ' is way too expensive for not much more performance', then I would advise you to take some basic courses in literacy and numeracy before you next post.

The very fact that you choose some metrics over others would mean that you are being subjective, though maybe you are not up that level of thinking. My bad, I really should give some leeway to those that are intellectually challenged.

I had not sought 'help' when I posted my build. My intention was to open up rational discussions on whether the choices were good (and what is good is always subjective) from different perspectives. I had certainly not expected patronizing remarks from someone on a massive ego trip. Also, I had not not made any 'false statements', what I had done was to point out some objective facts, and based my subjective choice on those facts, just as you have done. You are either too intellectually challenged to see this, or are one of those who think that your subjective opinions are objective facts, while the objective facts of others are merely their subjective opinions. Whatever the reason for your innate comments, I don't think I have the stamina to discuss this further with you. Just thinking down to your level gives me a major headache. So long and thanks for all the fish.

 

[beers]

An update: the build is now completed, and very happy with the result

Sweet bro, glad you're enjoying it. Being satisfied with your system is the #1 build metric, IMO.

How's it compare to the 5930K, and is your wife excited to get some updated gear?

 

[Nick1328]

Sweet bro, glad you're enjoying it. Being satisfied with your system is the #1 build metric, IMO.

How's it compare to the 5930K, and is your wife excited to get some updated gear?

Cheers!

Here is the result .