My View. Pc is Better than Mac.

g4m3rof1337

g4m3rof1337

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Mac could be better.
And not act all high and mighty.

And under the apple ipod video warranty, the screen isn't covered...
 
Archangel

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ofcourse its not.. I mean, if you apply pressure on the screen, its broken, so everyone who has a scratch on his/her I-pod could break the glass, and send it in for a replacement (for example). any Idea what a disaster in costs that would mean for apple?
for example.. Sony's PSP, the sceen also isnt covered by the warranty iirc. while the screen is about 25% of the total surface of the console

about the whole Mac vs. Pc... look at it this way.. if mac's were so much better than pc's.. would Apple still exsist? same goes vice versa ofcourse.

all I can say is.. I have a 400MHz I-Mac here (a pink one <3 :D ) and I do really like it. even better, when I'm busy for school, and i dont need a program like MatLab or LabView, I prefer using it over my pc. I dont know, its just different. and I know for sure, If i would have to do work on a 400MHz pc, I'm surely annoyed like hell with it ;)

My point is just,.. You just cant say a PC is better than a Mac, or a Mac is better than a PC. they are a bit too different for that (imo)
 
Jet

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Again, we come to the point. Yes, Macs are overpriced some. If you buy smart and get their refurbished models, though, you can get them for quite a bit cheaper: $2000 reduced to $1300.

I, personally am switching to Mac. A year ago, you could have seen me bashing Macs. I seriously disliked them. But, they are good for what they do. I'm a musician, so I'm switching.

The second thing. Macs hold their value. I, personally, don't want to spend thousands of dollars on a PC to see it drop 50+% in value in the first year. I can't afford to keep up with the rush. I could buy a new computer, but I have bigger priorities than just keeping up with the crowd. I need a laptop, and a refurbished Mac laptop is a great value, yet won't drop in value fast.
 
bratton

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ok then, jet

1. that refurb mac is probably, after reduced price, still just above the cost of a pc.

2. get your recording software, mixing, etc. on a pc. hehe. chances are you can probably even find something free (legally, too!)

3. i dont know where you pulled your last statement from. macs holding their value? no, buddy, mac just stupidly doesnt drop their prices. they sell old years old equipment above the price that you can buy modern hardware for a pc.

what you should really say: "mac notebooks look nicer than pc's and i wish to be in with the in-crowd"
i would totally understand that




and for tlarkin:
tlarkin said:
Seriously, look at all the bundled features of a Mac and then compare it to a PC, then add in all the extra costs to give the PC every function a mac can do.
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ill bet 1% of people actually consistently use all the extra crap, let alone know how to use it. which, basically, means that the remaining 99% should go pc and buy the one or two programs actually needed :)





edit2: possibly this will get someone to understand: i use a mac book at least 5 days of the week for 5-10 hours, so i understand completely as to how they function
 
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Jet

Jet

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bratton said:
ok then, jet

1. that refurb mac is probably, after reduced price, still just above the cost of a pc.

2. get your recording software, mixing, etc. on a pc. hehe. chances are you can probably even find something free (legally, too!)

3. i dont know where you pulled your last statement from. macs holding their value? no, buddy, mac just stupidly doesnt drop their prices. they sell old years old equipment above the price that you can buy modern hardware for a pc.
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1. yes.
2. yes, but not good quality.
3. Macs, since their hardware doesn't get changed as often as PCs, still keep their value. Even when they are used, they still sell at a very high price
 
bratton

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Jet said:
3. Macs, since their hardware doesn't get changed as often as PCs, still keep their value. Even when they are used, they still sell at a very high price
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how do you not realize how incredibly ignorant that statement is? the ONLY, ONLY way that situation makes any sense is if you plan on selling the thing off only a year or two down the line, which is just as silly a thing to do as buying the mac in the first place.
and, please realize, they dont really keep any value. that mac just has its own little mentally deviant circle of economy where people will pay stupid sums for inferior product.

so, unless youre in the situation of selling your refurb mac book not long after buying it (which is still silly), i really have no idea where youre going with this
 
Archangel

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bratton said:
how do you not realize how incredibly ignorant that statement is? the ONLY, ONLY way that situation makes any sense is if you plan on selling the thing off only a year or two down the line, which is just as silly a thing to do as buying the mac in the first place.
and, please realize, they dont really keep any value. that mac just has its own little mentally deviant circle of economy where people will pay stupid sums for inferior product.
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How can you say its silly when its quite the truth? pc's lost 30% of their value when you leave the shop basicly.. a Mac doesnt (for some reason noone understands)
Its always funny to see that some people keep calling other people ignorant and stupid for that matter, just for buying a Mac, I'm sorry, but why would you do that?

but.. looking into that, you'd call someone stupid who buy's a ferrari? (about the most useless cars on the planet) or someone who pays a load extra to get something handmade instead of machinal made? then I gues you could call about 99% of the worlds population stupid (or even everyone) because I'm pretty sure everyone has something they would willingly spend extra money on just to have it. ( <3 shoes :p )

bratton said:
edit2: possibly this will get someone to understand: i use a mac book at least 5 days of the week for 5-10 hours, so i understand completely as to how they function
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and yet you say buying a mac is stupid etc? then why you're still using one?
 
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jimmymac

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theres one thing thats struck me as a little odd lately, macs are now available with intel processors and windows....

so they are slowly but surely becoming a pc then....

Cant be bothered to really type it out but im sure you can see what i mean...
 
DrCuddles

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I would get a Mac, but i hate not being able to upgrade, can you upgrade Macs?

I hate the fact that they're bringing those stupid adverts, they were funny at first but its just a bid to get everyone to hate PCs now, whenever Apple brings out a new Mac, PC users cnajust upgrade for an 1/5th of the price and be better! :D
 
DrCuddles

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And you have a spelling mistake on your site :D

you will for there
OS's named after naimals but that didnt help in this case. - Zedman
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You spelt animal wrong on the 'My View' Page :)

Just thought id point it out
 
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ducis

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macs use lappy procs in there desktops how misleading is that to the none literate crowd (in other words there target market)
 
tlarkin

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Wow, again most of you don't even know what you are talking about. Okay, lets do a price challenge okay, I will build a dell laptop off their store that has the same specs as a macbook pro:

Module Description Show Details
XPS M1710 Intel® Core™ 2 Duo T7400 (2.16GHz, 4MB L2 Cache, 667 MHz FSB)
Operating System Genuine Windows Vista™ Home Premium
LCD Panel 17 inch UltraSharp™ Wide Screen UXGA Display with TrueLife™
Memory 1GB DDR2 SDRAM at 667MHZ, 2 DIMM
Video Card 512MB NVIDIA® GeForce™ Go 7950 GTX
Hard Drive 80GB 7200rpm SATA Hard Drive
Network Card and Modem Integrated 10/100/1000 Network Card and Modem
Adobe Software Adobe® Acrobat® Reader 7.0
Combo or DVD+RW Drive 24X CD Burner/DVD Combo Drive
Sound Options Integrated Audio
Wireless Networking Cards Intel PRO/Wireless 3945a/g
Office Software (not included with Windows Vista) No Productivity software pre-installed
Anti-Virus/Security Suite (Pre-installed) McAfee SecurityCenter with anti-virus, anti-spyware, firewall, 15-months
Primary Battery 80 WHr 9-cell Lithium Ion Primary Battery
Warranty and Service 1Yr In-Home Service, Parts + Labor - Next Business Day*
XPS Specialized Support Inspiron XPS, Specialized Support
Accident and Theft Protection 1Yr LoJack for Laptops Theft Protection (CD Shipped Separately)
Internet Access Service No ISP requested
Miscellaneous Award Winning Service, Support
Dell Digital Entertainment No Entertainment software pre-installed
Processor Branding Intel Centrino Core Duo Processor
Labels Windows Vista™ Premium
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Price from Dell direct on their website - $2,873.00

The apple counter part:

* 2.33GHz Intel Core 2 Duo
* 2GB 667 DDR2 SDRAM - 2x1GB
* 160GB Serial ATA Drive @ 5400 rpm
* SuperDrive 8x (DVD+R DL/DVD±RW/CD-RW)
* MacBook Pro 17-inch Widescreen Display
* Backlit Keyboard/Mac OS - U.S. English
* Accessory Kit
* 256 MB x1600 ATI video card
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Apple's list price is: 2,799.00

So the mac has all the featuers, plus some of the Dell, and a faster processor, but the Dell has a better video card, and look at the freaking price difference? I mean look at it? The macbook pro is also only 1" thick and weights less. The mac also has a super drive, so the Dell would have to upgrade. You add in a back lit keyboard the larger HD, firewire 800, optical audio out and built in MIDI support, and the other small features a Mac has that the dell doesn't and I would say the mac is a very fairly priced piece of machinery.

macs use lappy procs in there desktops how misleading is that to the none literate crowd (in other words there target market)
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Please research your statements. the Core 2 Duo processor is a freaking desktop processor but it also runs effecient enough to put into a laptop. The Mac Pro their high end desktop runs Quad-core Xeon processors, which are definitely not laptop processors, you find xeons in servers. Also, read through some PC websites a lot of times they are unclear if it has a core duo or a core 2 duo.

ok then, jet

1. that refurb mac is probably, after reduced price, still just above the cost of a pc.

2. get your recording software, mixing, etc. on a pc. hehe. chances are you can probably even find something free (legally, too!)

3. i dont know where you pulled your last statement from. macs holding their value? no, buddy, mac just stupidly doesnt drop their prices. they sell old years old equipment above the price that you can buy modern hardware for a pc.

what you should really say: "mac notebooks look nicer than pc's and i wish to be in with the in-crowd"
i would totally understand that
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I must give you a golf clap for your trolling efforts, very nice......

1. You never even researched your statement you just blindly and ignorantly stated this. With apple hardware you know what you are getting. Apple designs everything, even their hardware. With HP or Dell you are getting some motherboard that got the lowest bid, or they got the best deal on, and it is made by several companies, or some company you never heard of. Apple is one of the only computer manufacturers that actually design every aspect of the computer from hardware to software - which gives it a much higher point of quality control.

2. Apple computers now with OS X have access to tons fo FOSS, way more than a windows platform computer, and the community that develops for OS X is way better than the open source community for windows. This statement again is wrong, unresearched and ignorant.

3. The best way I can explain this to you is, you can't go to a Porsche dealer and expect to pay ford prices for a porsche. Macs maintain their value because there system have higher quality control. macs that 7 years old can run the newest OS, with minor RAM upgrades. A 7 year old PC counter part could not run vista even if it wanted to. I just sold a 5 year old G3 ibok on ebay for about $350 and it runs tiger, had 512mb of ram in it and it actually ran pretty quick and responsive in the OS even after being 5 years old and running the newest OS from Apple.

Also, FWIW, having worked in the IT field for 8 years now, NO ONE COVERS BROKEN screens under warranty. it is considered abuse, and they will charge you for a screen replacement. You either have to purchase an extra care pack plan or accidental damage on your warranty for it to be covered.

Also, look at what I can do out of the box on a mac:

1) Recrod and edit video
2) Record and edit Audio
3) Author a DVD
4) Sync my cell phone, pda, etc with blue tooth and built in software
5) Play a DVD movie (windows still can't do this out of the box!)
6) video chat with the built in camera
7) Run just about any OS I want


So, now go buy all the additional software you will need on the windows side of things to make it do all the things a Mac can do out of the box! The mac is definitely a better deal at that point.
 
CPTMuller

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tlarkin said:
Wow, again most of you don't even know what you are talking about. Okay, lets do a price challenge okay, I will build a dell laptop off their store that has the same specs as a macbook pro:




So the mac has all the featuers, plus some of the Dell, and a faster processor, but the Dell has a better video card, and look at the freaking price difference? I mean look at it? The macbook pro is also only 1" thick and weights less. The mac also has a super drive, so the Dell would have to upgrade. You add in a back lit keyboard the larger HD, firewire 800, optical audio out and built in MIDI support, and the other small features a Mac has that the dell doesn't and I would say the mac is a very fairly priced piece of machinery.


1. You never even researched your statement you just blindly and ignorantly stated this. With apple hardware you know what you are getting. Apple designs everything, even their hardware. With HP or Dell you are getting some motherboard that got the lowest bid, or they got the best deal on, and it is made by several companies, or some company you never heard of. Apple is one of the only computer manufacturers that actually design every aspect of the computer from hardware to software - which gives it a much higher point of quality control.

2. Apple computers now with OS X have access to tons fo FOSS, way more than a windows platform computer, and the community that develops for OS X is way better than the open source community for windows. This statement again is wrong, unresearched and ignorant.

3. The best way I can explain this to you is, you can't go to a Porsche dealer and expect to pay ford prices for a porsche. Macs maintain their value because there system have higher quality control. macs that 7 years old can run the newest OS, with minor RAM upgrades. A 7 year old PC counter part could not run vista even if it wanted to. I just sold a 5 year old G3 ibok on ebay for about $350 and it runs tiger, had 512mb of ram in it and it actually ran pretty quick and responsive in the OS even after being 5 years old and running the newest OS from Apple.

Also, FWIW, having worked in the IT field for 8 years now, NO ONE COVERS BROKEN screens under warranty. it is considered abuse, and they will charge you for a screen replacement. You either have to purchase an extra care pack plan or accidental damage on your warranty for it to be covered.

Also, look at what I can do out of the box on a mac:

1) Recrod and edit video
2) Record and edit Audio
3) Author a DVD
4) Sync my cell phone, pda, etc with blue tooth and built in software
5) Play a DVD movie (windows still can't do this out of the box!)
6) video chat with the built in camera
7) Run just about any OS I want


So, now go buy all the additional software you will need on the windows side of things to make it do all the things a Mac can do out of the box! The mac is definitely a better deal at that point.
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Sec.

OK. For the price comparison, Did we compare the unit I linked you with better than mac specs at a LOWER PRICE without coupons that can take alot off of the price.

If you know what you are getting from a mac, who manafacturers the motherboard? I mean really somebody has to make the the mobo and I DOUBT Apple does it (no eviddence admitedly, but where is yours?).

Whats FOSS?

Ever heard of linux that runs on ANY windows PC, beat that open source. Beyond that there is plenty of OS stuff for windows. My favorite being Rocket Dock. Walk around a lan party or somesuch you will see there is a huge OS community and windows-modding community.

Ok, My school recently got the Latest mac OS, definately lacks some stuff windows has, but even then Ubuntu Beryl looks pertier than both. Aside from that alt tab? Cmon now its near impossible to use on a mac to any efficiency.

IIRC 5 years ago the standard for a high end machine was approaching 512mb ram. Ofcourse a high end machine (older) can run a new OS that really is NOT that taxing on the components.

1; PCs CAN record audio and video aswell as record. If your using dell as an example check out the 1210.
2; see above.
3; Windows movie maker. Works has some nice stuff, you kinda sorta got me there.
4; sync to a device; shocker, my windows laptop does and will continue to do that
5; lie. I can and open source will let me if my manafacturer will not.
6; Refer to a different model Asus, better GPU same other specs, has the camera.
7; Yeah you can spend more money on a mac to run windows.


Oh, Right click by default anyone?
(Control + click does NOT count.)
 
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Altanore

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My graphics class in school only used macs. Photoshop ran so horrible on it... my Pentium 2, 266mhz and 512ram ran it 50x better than those macs did =/.

Apple is so proud that mac has few viruses. It's only because macs are not widely used compared to PC's =P.
 
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