advice on putting a pc together

starlitjoker

New Member
i think the 5870 is 1 GPU chip and the 4870X2 is well... 2 gpus lol i think the performance would be better for image processing especially on large resolutions

oh and to the wishlist.... 2 1.2K processors lol on a dual chip board running at around 3ghz? this thing will fly for whatever ur doing lol, hey u could even get into gaming?!?! ^.^
 

Cams

New Member
i think the 5870 is 1 GPU chip and the 4870X2 is well... 2 gpus lol i think the performance would be better for image processing especially on large resolutions

I still realize a x2 card has two physical cores on one pcb... I wanted to know what, if anything, the 4870x2 could do better than the 5870? Why would you spend 50 extra dollars on an older card? Does it play crysis better? Does it do better on photo and video stuff? Is it more reliable? Does it stay the night in my moms room and make me breakfast in the morning and call me sport or tiger or maybe even kiddo? And most importantly can I use it as a night light? BTW in case you were going to tell me again... a 4870x2 has two cores.

Also I dont think that arguement holds up about it being two cores. If I put two of my HTPCs celeron processors on one board it would still only have wet dreams about being half as fast as my i7 rig.
 
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:(

You're one of those people who knows a bit about computers, and has been surrounded by people who know nothing about computers. As a result, you're used to being able to say whatever you want, and everyone just buys it because you're "the computer guy".

But then you come here and start posting, and all of sudden you're surrounded by people that actually might know a bit more than you do. Then, when you give dumb advice like.
You just completely described me :(
 

vandassen

New Member
I'm putting Windows 7 (not 2007) in the build, because Vista doesn't seem to be available. They're based off of the same kernel, so there shouldn't be any problem. If there is a problem, it has an option called XP mode, which runs the program in a virtualized version of windows XP. It's really cool, and should fix any compatibility issues.

@dren
That website you posted calls for windows 7 64bit... so what's the big prob? (sorry to stir this up again haha)

http://www.bitplane.com/go/support/system-requirements

@Cams
this is a bit of a generalization but I think the X2 card will run 1.5x as fast as the 5870 but doesn't support dx11. if the program doesn't require dx11 but it does require speed [EDIT: (or bandwidth)], then this is why it calls for one and not the other

hope this isn't another response that will trigger an :rolleyes: eye roll
 

BigSteve702

New Member
are you going to be going for dual processors? id look into the intel serverboards, and then probably stick with a 5870 or if you want to go nuts on it, a 5970. or 4870x2, but if you meant it as 2 4870's rather than the 4870x2, just realise that you will have some issues finding a good serverboard that has dual pci-e slots that also supports sli or crossfire :/

but man, if you have a sub 10k budget, might as well go with a intel serverboard, 5970, couple xeons, some ddr3 memory, and maybe a double redundant power supply?
 

Drenlin

Active Member
None of the 5xxx gpu's have been tested. The system requirements page specifically says not to use a board that hasn't been tested.

I posted a build earlier, but here it is again as a post rather than a wish list:


OS- Windows 7 Ultimate (only a bit more than pro right now)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832116718

CPU- 2x Intel Xeon x5560 (quad core, 2.8GHz)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819117181

CPU Cooler- 2x Xigmatek Dark Knight
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835233029

Thermal Grease- Arctic Silver 5
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835100007

Motherboard- ASUS Z8NA-D6C
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131378

RAM- 6x Corsair 4GB server memory (added two 4GB sticks to run in triple channel)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820145275

GPU- XFX GeForce GTX 285 (fastest tested GPU in stock)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150367

PSU- Corsair 1000FX 1KW
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139007

Case- Cooler Master Cosmos S Aluminum case
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119150

DVD Burner- Lite on 24x with Lightscribe
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827106335

Hard Drives-
4x Samsung Spinpoint F3 500GB (fastest non-SSD drive I could find)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822152181

External Cases- 2x Vantec NXT-360SU (put two of the hard drives in these)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817145167

SATA Cables- 2x 24"
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16812200046

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@dren
That website you posted calls for windows 7 64bit... so what's the big prob? (sorry to stir this up again haha)

Good call
 
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mad_scientist

New Member
None of the 5xxx gpu's have been tested. The system requirements page specifically says not to use a board that hasn't been tested.

I posted a build earlier, but here it is again as a post rather than a wish list:


OS- Windows 7 Ultimate (only a bit more than pro right now)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832116718

CPU- 2x Intel Xeon x5560 (quad core, 2.8GHz)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819117181

CPU Cooler- 2x Xigmatek Dark Knight
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835233029

Thermal Grease- Arctic Silver 5
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835100007

Motherboard- ASUS Z8NA-D6C
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131378

RAM- 6x Corsair 4GB server memory (added two 4GB sticks to run in triple channel)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820145275

GPU- XFX GeForce GTX 285 (fastest tested GPU in stock)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150367

PSU- Corsair 1000FX 1KW
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139007

Case- Cooler Master Cosmos S Aluminum case
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119150

DVD Burner- Lite on 24x with Lightscribe
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827106335

Hard Drives-
4x Samsung Spinpoint F3 500GB (fastest non-SSD drive I could find)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822152181

External Cases- 2x Vantec NXT-360SU (put two of the hard drives in these)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817145167

SATA Cables- 2x 24"
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16812200046

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Good call


Hey hey,
here I am again! First of all, thanks a lot for the help, you guys are great!

I've forwarded your configuration to the software technical support, and I got this answer:

> CPU- 2x Intel Xeon x5560 (quad core, 2.8GHz)
Up to know not everything is multithreaded. So I would prefer a new Core i 7 intel processor. These have only 4 cores instead of the 8 cores you have in your configuration, but they have the advantage that as soon as you don't use all core the speed of the used cores is increased.
Furthermore we have some problem with the multithreading within Imaris for the moment. We will solve these problems this year. But I would nevertheless go for a Core i 7.
> RAM- 6x Corsair 4GB server memory
The RAM that you need is depending of the size of the data you want to analyse. So a rule of thumb is to have the 10-fold amount of RAM the datasize you want to analyse.
So in your case you could analyse data up to 2.4 GB. If this is sufficient for you the RAM is ok!
> GPU- XFX GeForce GTX 285: This is a very good graphic board. A bit noisy but I'm using it also without problems.
> Hard Drives- 4x Samsung Spinpoint F3 500GB . It is always good to put the temp files of Imaris on one or more separate hard disks that are quite fast. So it would be good to have one or more harddisks with 10000 rpm or at least fast read and write access. They do not need to be big. So 160 GB is sufficient. These disks should be only used for the temp files of Imaris and nothing else. The more disks you have and the more speed they have the quicker the calculations are done within Imaris. These disks I would put inside the PC. Then you can have one big harddisk for the system and the data storage or two smaller ones e.g. one for the system and one for the data (as you want). So it is not necessary to have the external disks only if you want to have them to transfer the data.

so CPU has to be changed, RAM is fine as my files are 2.0GB top, I'm a bit puzzled about the hard drives... any more suggestions?
 

Drenlin

Active Member
Hey hey,
here I am again! First of all, thanks a lot for the help, you guys are great!

I've forwarded your configuration to the software technical support, and I got this answer:

> CPU- 2x Intel Xeon x5560 (quad core, 2.8GHz)
Up to know not everything is multithreaded. So I would prefer a new Core i 7 intel processor. These have only 4 cores instead of the 8 cores you have in your configuration, but they have the advantage that as soon as you don't use all core the speed of the used cores is increased.
Furthermore we have some problem with the multithreading within Imaris for the moment. We will solve these problems this year. But I would nevertheless go for a Core i 7.
You're good with those CPU's, actually. The current Xeon 55xx line, including those, is the server/workstation version of the Core i7. It has everything the i7 has, including the Turbo Boost function that he described, and hyper threading. A single i7 has 4 cores and 8 threads, while the dual Xeon setup has 8 cores and 16 threads, which will be awesome once the multithreading bugs are worked out. What Windows will see is 16 different processors. The task manager will look something like the pic below. Cool huh?
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> RAM- 6x Corsair 4GB server memory
The RAM that you need is depending of the size of the data you want to analyse. So a rule of thumb is to have the 10-fold amount of RAM the datasize you want to analyse.
So in your case you could analyse data up to 2.4 GB. If this is sufficient for you the RAM is ok!
Sounds good. Just so you know, as long as it's registered ECC RAM, that mobo will support double what that setup has if you need to upgrade later.
> GPU- XFX GeForce GTX 285: This is a very good graphic board. A bit noisy but I'm using it also without problems.
Good that it works. Again, just so you know, the 4870 x2 you requested is available in some places and is more powerful than the 285. No major retailers have it though. Newegg does have the 4850 x2 in stock, however, if that will work. It's not on the "tested" list but I'm pretty sure they use the same core. Might be worth asking about...?
> Hard Drives- 4x Samsung Spinpoint F3 500GB . It is always good to put the temp files of Imaris on one or more separate hard disks that are quite fast. So it would be good to have one or more harddisks with 10000 rpm or at least fast read and write access. They do not need to be big. So 160 GB is sufficient. These disks should be only used for the temp files of Imaris and nothing else. The more disks you have and the more speed they have the quicker the calculations are done within Imaris. These disks I would put inside the PC. Then you can have one big harddisk for the system and the data storage or two smaller ones e.g. one for the system and one for the data (as you want). So it is not necessary to have the external disks only if you want to have them to transfer the data.

so CPU has to be changed, RAM is fine as my files are 2.0GB top, I'm a bit puzzled about the hard drives... any more suggestions?
The Samsungs I listed have great performance both for the price and in general. This chart compares it to other common drives using Passmark benchmarking software:
http://www.harddrivebenchmark.net/hdd_lookup.php?cpu=SAMSUNG+HD502HJ

For reference, the three "WDC" drives in spots 8,9, and 10 are all $250-$300 Western Digital "VelociRaptor" 10k RPM drives. They're 5-6 times the price for less storage and performance. The drive in the #3 spot is the $90 1TB version of it:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822152185&Tpk=HD103SJ


If I'm understanding this right, the external hard drives are only for transferring data, and more internal drives is better?

If so, then I would go with as many of the 500GB drives I posted as you think you'll need/use. Same for the externals. If you want a 1TB for an externals or the primary OS drive, use the one I posted above.

Also, do any of these need to be in a RAID array? It's common for mission-critical systems but you might need an extra controller for this setup.
 
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