Why do they come this stupid though? It is like he is going completely off personal opinion without doing any reading first on the subject. He thinks that the kernel and other source codes are written by people who do not get paid, if this was the case then he should be embarrassed cause a totally free OS in a majority of ways is better then Windows other then gaming that I can think of. Poor little troll, so stupid.
I can see that. But what you're not seeing that some people just plain want to contribute. That's all. They don't expect to get paid for all the work. People who do this know that their work can be used for commercial purposes. They don't care. They know the licences of the software they work on allow this. Not everyone is willing to pay for their work. Linux originally started out as a hobby or experiment of sorts. Nobody willingly pays someone to do that. So should he (Linus) just not done it? If I volunteer my effort, I do it because I believe that I'm contributing to a good cause or I simply enjoy the work I do - in either case, I don't expect to get paid, even if I did deserve to be paid. If you look at all the volunteer effort around the world, you'd realise that there simply isn't enough people to willingly pay for all these people's hard work. By your logic, we'd have to stop nearly all this volunteer work -even if people do it for pure pleasure of doing it- because there simply isn't enough money to be willingly spent on paying for their work.
You still haven't addressed my question as to how morons achieve these kinds of things. But you're still wrong. Like I said above, people volunteering their effort on open source projects know that their work can be used for commercial purposes. Most of them just don't care. Many of them have jobs and means to support themselves - they don't care about the extra money they could make, they care about contributing their effort to something they want to succeed, be recognised or whatever.
Alright. I already explained that it's not the "seeing other people get rich" part that they enjoy, they enjoy contributing to something, accomplishing things, bettering themselves at what they do. As for "throwing their talents down the toilet" - really now? Linux and open source software runs everywhere. The one laptop per child program uses open source software. Half the servers on the internet run almost entirely on open source software. A lot of highest-ranked supercomputers run Linux. Entire governments run Linux. Being part of this kind of development is a pretty major accomplishment, not to mention people who have worked on these projects have gained immense amounts of experience and achieved things that will help them on their current and future jobs in IT - the ones many of them get paid for. And you say that they're throwing their talents down the toilet solely because they didn't happen to get paid for all their work? That kind of thinking is so absurdly narrow-minded, I'm having hard time comprehending it.
Not Microsoft or Apple specifically, no, that's an absurd question. Projects that I enjoy working on, yes. Projects that I can see being beneficial to myself or the humanity, yes. And it doesn't matter if someone uses my work for their financial gain. If I didn't want this to happen, I wouldn't work on projects licensed under terms that permit this, nor would I release my own work under such terms. It's that simple.
This is about "winning" now? Given the number of questions you've dodged and the flaws in your logic you've left unaddressed, if this discussion really is about "winners" and "losers" you'd be tending towards the latter camp. How is it wrong if these people volunteer their effort? Nobody has a gun to their heads. They're volunteers. They do it willingly. They're not brainwashed morons. They do it because they enjoy it. They do it because they better themselves. They do it because they believe in freedom. Freedom to use software how people want to use. Freedom to use software without big brother listing out conditions under which it can be used. Freedom to modify software as people see fit. Freedom to create things without having to pay someone for licences or whatever. They know what they're doing. They're not stupid. They're well informed of who can use their work and what for - including personal gain. They still do it willingly. How is it wrong?
Don't have a Celica or any debt for that matter, no. I'm well aware of the amount of business and money that's to be made in open source software, yes. I'm not upset, no.
This is a computer forum...................Double-Aces said:
