Budget Gaming Rig: Good or Bad?

I agreed with you that it is speculation when I said there is no credible evidence :P

And all of the "recent" AMD chips have been K8, or tweaks there of, but pretty much the same, just with some stuff added and changed. As bulldozer is an entire new architecture, you can't really compare it to previous gens because it is nothing like previous gens.

I agree the Sandy Bridge chips are awesome at the moment, but people thought the Core 2 chips were awesome, which at the time they were, but look at what we have now. The same goes for Nahelem, people were amazed when SB came out and a chip that was clocked lower could outperform a chip that cost substantially more. Things change, technology advances, and what was ground breaking and amazing won't be at the next release. I'm not going to say it will be any better or worse until I know at release, all I will say is I am hopeful, but not confident until I see results
 
Also consider a i3 system

Junk. Dont you still have to put gas in those to get them to start. Think they (might) still have a pull start, but maybe the new models have electric start.

The last AMD I bought, came with the Budweiser girls for the weekend.
 
why not an i3 at that price, i mean it is faster and all, pretty sure it has been mentioned multiple times, and i can't tell if strangle is being sarcastic for or against the i3
 
why not an i3 at that price, i mean it is faster and all, pretty sure it has been mentioned multiple times, and i can't tell if strangle is being sarcastic for or against the i3

because you can get a 955 for about the same, and it has more power. You still have upgrade paths if you get an AM3+ mobo, because you can go bulldozer later down the line, so it is better now, and still good for later too
 

Ok... as I'm new to this whole thing,
1) why the new Mobo, it's twice as expensive
2) I need 8GB/6GB of memory, as I'm doing other stuff that requires 6 or 8 to run well, in addition to gaming
3) Other PSU has more watts and is less expensive, so why the new one
4) I assume new case would need more $$ for the water and fans
5) Any way to bring the price down?
6) Is it even worth getting this set-up? Will it run games on higher settings well?

Thanks!
 
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Ok... as I'm new to this whole thing,
1) why the new Mobo, it's twice as expensive
2) I need 8GB/6GB of memory, as I'm doing other stuff that requires 6 or 8 to run well, in addition to gaming
3) Other PSU has more watts and is less expensive, so why the new one
4) I assume new case would need more $$ for the water and fans
5) Any way to bring the price down?
6) Is it even worth getting this set-up? Will it run games on higher settings well?

Thanks!

1) several reasons:

1. It is more upgradable. The board I linked has 4 DIMM slots as opposed to the 2 on the one you put. This means that although you have enough memory now, when you want to upgrade later you will have to get rid of all of your memory to upgrade. It also means the total maximum capacity is less.

2. Look at the PCIe slot on the board you picked, and the location of the SATA ports. A graphics card with a 2-slot cooler is going to be obstructing one, if not two of your SATA ports, meaning in reality, after you have your hard drive and DVD drive in there, you have no extra expansion slots should you later wish to add another hard drive or optical drive.

3. The one you picked does not have AM3+ support. Again, this makes for much better upgradablitity (real word? :P), because when this system doesn't quite cut it any more, you are stuck, you would have to get a new CPU AND new motherboard, rather than just getting a new Bulldozer (AMD's new line of processors) chip, which will work on AM3+ boards, but not AM3

4. Chipset. The chipset of the board I picked will give you better performance than the one you picked.

2) I doubt you need more than 4GB. I frequently sit with at least 2 games open, TeamSpeak, Google Chrome with at least 10+ tabs, several files/folders, Xfire, Steam, all open at the time, and not rarely another program, be it an FTP client, Photoshop, calculator, whatever, and on 4GB, have yet to see my system go over 75% memory usage.

3) Wattage is not everything. The one I linked is of a much higher quality. You can get 700W PSU's for $20, when you can also get 700W PSU's for $100. The reason why is obvious - quality. The $20 PSU will be less efficient, less reliable and will not actually be able to output 700W, because of the distribution of power.

The components which use the most power, your CPU and video card, take power from the 12V rail of your PSU. Lower end units will not have most of the Amps on the 12V rail, but instead on the 5V and 3.3V rails. This means the manufacturers can claim they have a high wattage power supply, when really, it is no good because the system can't use that power. All that will end up happening is you will overload your already poor power supply.

4) What water? And it already has decent airflow. If you wanted, you could get another fan to draw air in from the front, but it isn't essential to do so

5) Yes, but bare in mind you will also take a performance hit. If you need to cut some corners to save some money:

Change the CPU to: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103871

Change the hard drive to: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136769

Change the memory to: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820211364

6) I would take this set up over what you have now, however if there is an option to save up a little more, even just $50, you could improve the system further. With a $650 budget, you could change your video card to:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130570

which would greatly improve gaming performance.

Without that though, and just using the set up I put above, you will be playing every single game out now and in the near future without any problems
 
getting a cheap mobo or psu is the most common mistake, these 2 thing are the most likely to screw you over, especially if you get acheap psu cuz it is more likely to fry your system, and btw go to newegg and look in the current email special and there is a nice 90 buck ocz modxstreme for 55 or 65 with a 20 buck mir, but still obly 500watts i think, and as for the comment on watts, most low ends combine the 5 and 12 volt rails to get that number but the 12 volt is the only one that matters really, and there's also 8gb's of corsair vengance for 60 right now so i'd get those if you want more, and this will not be maxing out much mainstreme games but will play pretty dang well
 
because you can get a 955 for about the same, and it has more power. You still have upgrade paths if you get an AM3+ mobo, because you can go bulldozer later down the line, so it is better now, and still good for later too

The 955 seems significantly slower in most benchmarks ive seen http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/88?vs=289

Also the upgrade potential is as you have stated here unknown, yet the upgrade potential of the LG1155 is explosive (e.g. Core i7 2600K).

I know where my money would go.
 
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technecally the upgrade potential of the 955 on a am3+ is explosive if bulldozer is any good, but we don't know yet so don't go off on that stuff
 
and i was going to point out how much better the i3 2100 was on the benches at anandtech bothe 1v1 benches and gaming benches, but i noticed then with the exact same setup supposedly the 2500k was beating the 2600k on the same game res mobo ram and all by almost a full frame a second, so something's funky with their stuff
 
The 955 seems significantly slower in most benchmarks ive seen http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/88?vs=289

Also the upgrade potential is as you have stated here unknown, yet the upgrade potential of the LG1155 is explosive (e.g. Core i7 2600K).

I know where my money would go.

and i was going to point out how much better the i3 2100 was on the benches at anandtech bothe 1v1 benches and gaming benches, but i noticed then with the exact same setup supposedly the 2500k was beating the 2600k on the same game res mobo ram and all by almost a full frame a second, so something's funky with their stuff

This.

Though I have seen that the i3 is a lot quicker in synthetic benches (no surprises there) and gaming that only takes advantage of 1 or 2 cores (like Crysis), you go into multi-threaded gaming, which most newer games are, and the 955 has the edge.

However, with that said, the i3, when overclocked, will beat the 955 when overclocked, however I wouldn't get a chip based on overclocking potential.

Regarding the performance of Bulldozer, it is indeed an unknown, however I have no doubt that it will be significantly quicker than the Phenom II's are, otherwise AMD may as well say "we have scrapped it", it would be much less embarrassing than releasing a dud chip. With that in mind, that would make it quicker than the i3 is. Quicker than the 2700k? Who knows, but if it isn't, it will also be cheaper, yet still plenty to play any game.

If I was building a system right now, I would take a 2500k, however for a budget system, I would take a 955 every time
 
Aastii, would not it be better to go with DDR3 1600 or DDR3 1866 RAM for a Socket AM3+ upgrade? DDR3 1333 would hold back the full potential of a Socket AM3+ system.
 
Aastii, would not it be better to go with DDR3 1600 or DDR3 1866 RAM for a Socket AM3+ upgrade? DDR3 1333 would hold back the full potential of a Socket AM3+ system.

DDR3 1600 would be better then 1333, plus just being a few bucks more is a bonus. But if you can get a (good deal) on 1866 would be the best bet.
 
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Junk. Dont you still have to put gas in those to get them to start. Think they (might) still have a pull start, but maybe the new models have electric start.

Hardly, its faster than a Core 2 Extreme QX6850 and about equivalent to Phenom II X4 Black Edition 975 so this doesn't even make sense. The i3 2100 still smashes everything in its price range.

This.

Though I have seen that the i3 is a lot quicker in synthetic benches (no surprises there) and gaming that only takes advantage of 1 or 2 cores (like Crysis), you go into multi-threaded gaming, which most newer games are, and the 955 has the edge.

However, with that said, the i3, when overclocked, will beat the 955 when overclocked, however I wouldn't get a chip based on overclocking potential.

This backs thaat up. The rest of that post was speculation or reference to a chip outside the price range of a budget system. Also, very few games utilise all available cores, so the i3 is plenty at the moment. If it wasn't the case, the full 8 core (HT) available on the 2600K would make it better than a 2500K. The 2600K over time will prove to be the best CPU for LGA1155, particularly when all 8 'threads' can be processed and the higher l3 cache.

DDR3 1600 would be better then 1333, plus just being a few bucks more is a bonus. But if you can get a (good deal) on 1866 would be the best bet.

DDR3 is much less dependant on frequency in all the benchies unless you want to seriously oc, in which case the i3 would smash anything AMD has to offer as shown here http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/best-gaming-cpu-core-i5-2500k-amd-e350,2843-6.html

All i know is the upgrade potential for the lga1155 is the fastest processor you can buy, not the case in the amd, plus i still think the i3 is better value than anything amd has on offer.
 
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Hardly, its faster than a Core 2 Extreme QX6850 and about equivalent to Phenom II X4 Black Edition 975 so this doesn't even make sense. The i3 2100 still smashes everything in its price range.

LMAO
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Stacks up pretty well here, and these are not synthetic

http://www.anandtech.com/show/4083/...core-i7-2600k-i5-2500k-core-i3-2100-tested/20

So stop doing this

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This is the the Core 2 Duo vs. A64 X2 all over again. Will Bulldozer be another Phenom, a day late and a dollar short? Proabably, because a mere month or two stands between Bulldozer and LGA2011 releases, so the BD will need to be dam good. TLB bug anyone? As a PC enthusiast I really want to see competition to keep prices in check, but as it currently stands, there is no competition at that price point. The only thing that annoys me is the constant Intel socket change bs, but hey, i cant see the 2600K being bottlenecked anytime soon.
 
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