building a vry good comp

[ripken2004]

thats with their version 1 of some tool
http://www.hitachigst.com/downloads/ftool_v197.exe
this is to to dload the version 2 that will make it go to 300
since u have this drive and if ur board supports sataII then give it a try and tell me how it goes

 

[Yeti]

Well, I have the SATA1 version of the drive but I'm interested to see if that will even max out.

 

[ripken2004]

so what do u guys think i should do with my hdds

instead of the seagate im thinking of going this:
http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?ProductCode=100594-2

and now what to do with the raptor?

 

[Praetor]

Enermex Noisetaker "EG701AX-VE SFMA (24P)"

Nice PSU

Arctic Silver Premium Polysynthetic Silver Thermal Compound, Model "Arctic Silver 5", 3.5-gram( 1 cc. ) tube 7.99

Holy crap thats expensive

GeIL Ultra 2GB (2 x 1GB) 184-Pin DDR SDRAM Unbuffered DDR400(PC3200)

Whats the specs on this?

you should buy round ide cables, unless the MOBO comes with them

Excuse me??

Replace the overrated Raptor with another Barracuda and set up a raid.

Bah RAID is overrated

id spend a little less and get two SCEI drive and raid them.

Yes but you'd have to get a SCSI card....

ya ive been debating about the raid, so many say its good and so many say its bad (the raid0) , which is what ur suggesting, right?

Read the RAID101

dont go with maxtor, they're not the most reliable hdd manufacturers

Oh dear .... lemme guess you've have a some bad experiences .... (you do realize if Maxtor was that bad .... they'd be um ... out of business)

You should definitely change the hard drives dude, there's no point in having one fast if the other one's gonna drag it down.

Uh ... how about Drive1 to do stuff on and Drive2 for archiving? Last time I checked, an archive drive doesnt need to have a billion MB/s throughput

And Maxtor by the way, is total crap. My own stepdad recommended them to me, so I got them. I have 2, one in 2 computers, and they are the loudest, most annoying drives around.

1. If maxtor was total crap -- they'd be out of business so cut the fanboysm
2. Yes they noisy ... a whopping ±1db from the rest of the drives ....

(that's how long it takes to spin down, at least from what I HEAR coming from them).

Well ... a chunk of metal spinning at 7200rpm in near-vaccum state ... wow thats profound

Also, you got an SLI motherboard and you're not gonna SLI it?! Go ahead and get a second 6800, but you should make both Ultra's, not GT's

Yes through an extra $100+ per card for 75/50 OC that you can do yourself...

You could get an FX55 or 3800+ or something

Wow.

And if you really want to have a sweet computer and don't mind how long you'll spend building it, you might want to think about getting it water cooled.

Oh? No phase exchange/tec cooling??

Your DVD burner is kind of a waste of SATA if it only burns 4x. You should probably get it IDE (it's not gonna slow it down) and get a 16x.

Wow I thought it was just mild fanboysim (which is ok as long as it doesnt go overboard) but you really dont know what yer talking about (at least with optical tech). Burning at 16x ... is ... um ... bad.

if I could get another 1000 somehow then ya ide get those but I have around 3000 right now, and whats wrong with my burner? it burns 16x

Nothing's wrong with it. Arguably best burner on the planet.

but I'm interested to see if that will even max out

.
It will max out -- for a whopping 8MB (the amount on the cache).

so what do u guys think I should do with my hdds

Have a look at the HD101


Overall opinion ... a bit overpriced for what you're getting

 

[ripken2004]

well im proud u think its pretty good

this is link to ram, just scroll down a little
the cas is 3-4-4-8 , i know i should get cas2 but they are pretty pricey
http://www2.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820144322

ill look into those guides, i have read the raid101 and ram101 and like i said im still undicided, i dont think i will go for it tho only b/c of the chance of losing my data is doubled and they speed will be fast enough

but this drive tho
http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?ProductCode=100594-2
do u know anything about it? it is one of the only sataII out there as far as i know

 

[ripken2004]

just read the raid101 again and ide be going for raid0 if i were to do it and from the graphs u have there raid0 rly only matter when ur going full throughput, which i wont be, and for random access like i do and gaming it would only increase performance a very little bit so i wont be looking into it then

 

[ripken2004]

so wut u think?

 

[Praetor]

this is link to ram, just scroll down a little
the cas is 3-4-4-8 , I know I should get cas2 but they are pretty pricey

Yeah I had a second look at the price tag, you did good (CAS2 is generally overpriced anyways)

just read the raid101 again and ide be going for raid0 if I were to do it and from the graphs u have there raid0 rly only matter when ur going full throughput, which I wont be, and for random access like I do and gaming it would only increase performance a very little bit so I wont be looking into it then

Yeah, for people that actually benifit from all-out performance ... well they generally look at SCSI RAID5 (usualy video and animation type of people)

 

[Fatal]

I too have had issues with numerous Maxtor hard drives. I highly recommend Hitachi or Seagate.

Praetor, I don't know about Maxtor's past, because of my young age, but maybe they used to make good hard drives some time ago, and thus having some reputation.

 

[ripken2004]

the hitachi sataII im getting is suppose to be pretty good

 

[Praetor]

Praetor, I don't know about Maxtor's past, because of my young age, but maybe they used to make good hard drives some time ago, and thus having some reputation.

Every company has its good stories and their bad stories ... just like everywhere else.

 

[ripken2004]

ive never had any bad experience with them but alot of ppl have so i guess ide be getting the seagate or the hitachi

 

[AMDCam]

Praetor, I don't know why you feel the need to stick up for Maxtor so much, but bad company's don't go out of business right away. The drive's I've got suck, but a lot of companies make mistakes, they just fix them, and if they don't, you'd be surprised how long they stick around. I hear from a lot of people that their drives aren't that reliable, and yet another drive my friend has (along with one of mine) has a "Failure may be iminent, back up and replace drive" and "BAD drive, backup and replace immediately" notes in the BIOS, so I'm pretty sure Maxtor isn't that great. My friend's drive is a different model number, I can't remember what the number is though.

 

[Praetor]

Praetor, I don't know why you feel the need to stick up for Maxtor so much, but bad company's don't go out of business right away

Yes bad companies dont go out of business right away but neither do they last so long. Nor are their drives used in hospital archiving systems.

but a lot of companies make mistakes, they just fix them, and if they don't, you'd be surprised how long they stick around.

Ok so if I understand you correctly, "Maxtor makes nothing but garbage and they dont correct any of their 'problems' yet they last so long".

I hear from a lot of people that their drives aren't that reliable, and yet another drive my friend has (along with one of mine) has a "Failure may be iminent, back up and replace drive" and "BAD drive, backup and eplace immediately" notes in the BIOS, so I'm pretty sure Maxtor isn't that great.

Im clever enough to realize that "Maxtor sux" sounds a lot like "nVidia sux" or "Ati sux" or "AMD sux" or "Intel sux" or "Dell sux" or "Gateway sux" etc etc etc. The point here should be obvious but just in case it isnt: you can pick any company you want for HDD and with enough googling you'll find people that say "that company sux".

Since the beginning of the year I've bought ~30 western digitals, ~20 Hitatchis, ~20 Maxtors, ~15 Seagates -- does this mean Im a western digital fanboy? Hardly -- I buy a product to suit both the price profile and system requirement. As for me, ive had Maxtor drives fail and Ive also had drives fail from WD/Quantum/Seagate/Hitatchi/Fujitsu as well and with a weekly throughput of ~1TB, a Ghost every day and a hard format once a week, its fair for me to say that I push my drives pretty hard -- regardless of whether they be Maxtor or not.

So why do I have Maxtors in my system? Well, to be honest (1) most of the time I have 4x160 Maxtors, for a good chunk of time on any given week I'll swap them out for Hitatchi's and WDs -- why? Because it suits the purpose and (2) back when I bought these drives, the Maxtors were the cheapest in their class. Now it just so happens that Hitatchi/WD have occupied the cheap-drive slot for this capacity class.

The bottom line? I'm not a fanboy. Perhaps Maxtor's made a bad drive here and there, sure that happens everywhere -- look at the GXP75s, or a few of the Cheetahs back in the day (if you ever dabbled with SCSI). But anyone who says "Maxtor sux" outright doesnt realize that with that logic set (or lack thereof), damn near every company that has ever made drives sux -- because they have all had craploads of failures. To dismiss Maxtor from a harddrive showdown would be like to dismiss the influence that Dell has on the computer industry -- suffice it to say -- silly and shortsighted.

So as I said earlier:

Every company has its good stories and their bad stories ... just like everywhere else.

Its kinda silly to compare harddrives so universally and without a grain of salt (or in some cases, a whole crapload of it)

 

[apj101]

Praetor (Roman Magistrate)

Take it easy old chum, your going to bust a blood vessel.

People are allowed to insult off any company they like, even if they are huge sweeping generalisations. I agree that perhaps it would have been better had he said "I think that Maxtors are the worst drives on the market". Which is what I’m sure he meant to say. But lets not get pedantic shall we?

You should understand that some user don't run through more than 10 hdds in their entire lives. Is it wrong for them to expect all 10 to be of good working quality? If not, then do they not have a right to be upset, maybe even to the point of impugning the manufacturer of said drive?

I think that you are the victim of well directed and justified complaint manifesting itself as a sweeping generalisation in the hands of an overly zealous member.

 

[Praetor]

People are allowed to insult off any company they like, even if they are huge sweeping generalisations. I agree that perhaps it would have been better had he said "I think that Maxtors are the worst drives on the market". Which is what I’m sure he meant to say. But lets not get pedantic shall we?

Absolutely and Ive not done a thing to prevent that

But lets not get pedantic shall we?

Hehe yer not cynical enough

Is it wrong for them to expect all 10 to be of good working quality? If not, then do they not have a right to be upset, maybe even to the point of impugning the manufacturer of said drive?

Absolutely however:
1. When the primary source of research is heresay, validity and strenght of such a point based on it is diminished significantly if not just for the sheer reason that one persons standards might not be the same as anothers
2. Consider the [original] M16 or the Patriot missiles -- critically flawed yet we can hardly say that Colt nor Raytheon/Lockheed-Martin are dismal failures. I hardly need to suggest a similar analogy can be drawn from the space shuttle and Rockwell International

 

[AMDCam]

Praetor, I get what you say, but apj101's right, I don't have any tried-and-true statements about any computer hardware, so everything I say is just an opinion unless I say otherwise. So yeah, I THINK Maxtor isn't that great, but I've dealed with 6 hard drives in my life, and 3 of them are Maxtor's, and not one of them work right. That's the logic behind my opinion.

 

[apj101]

When the primary source of research is heresay, validity and strenght of such a point based on it is diminished significantly if not just for the sheer reason that one persons standards might not be the same as anothers

But when the sole medium of by which we here converse relies on hearsay, and the modus operandi of communal forums depends on this tertiary evidence by way of reference to a more primary source. Is it not therefore more prudent to place reliance on his hearsay when it is evidenced on imperical data, as a means to critically judge or base our beliefs? Provided we keep it in context.

Although I do feel we are both making the same point; only using not so subtly different methods. Perhaps a whispering wind of change may have left AMDCam with a more reserved temperament when placing his posts. Rather than the a fierce hurricane obliteration, wereby destroying the chaps point and leaving nought but a scattering of quotations interspersed with a swift but not unnoticeable verbal boot, or should I say a verbal auarca (a roman sandal).

On a lighter note: Everyone knows that ALL generalisations are a falsehood anyway

Hehe yer not cynical enough

As the columnist Russel Lynes said
Cynicism is the intellectual cripple's substitute for intelligence.

 

[Praetor]

Although I do feel we are both making the same point; only using not so subtly different methods. Perhaps a whispering wind of change may have left AMDCam with a more reserved temperament when placing his posts. Rather than the a fierce hurricane obliteration

Perhaps a perspective difference: that was no hurricane -- not by a long shot.

As the columnist Russel Lynes said
Cynicism is the intellectual cripple's substitute for intelligence

1. Unfortunately, we ldont ive in an ideal society ...
2. You presume I care about columnists and their opinions.


PS ... "Praetor" as I took it, was not contextualzed from the Romans ... of course that leaves a million dollar question ... unanswered

 

[apj101]

Touche

PS ... "Praetor" as I took it, was not contextualzed from the Romans ... of course that leaves a million dollar question ... unanswered

hmmm, well Praetor being the source of the word, and unless you abbreviating, your taking must of been somehow intrinsically linked.

Alas I consult goggle which, along with confirming my classification of the word, tells me that “Praetor is a kernel-based "Security Enabler" for Linux that provides fine-grained access control.”
Which is obviously a marketing endeavour to dramatise an otherwise mundane item.

Oh and there is also a spam filter – probably using the same marketing ploy.