New build, my first

[Freedom]

Of those two, the Antec, by far. The Corsair HX520W is a much better PSU at the same price, though.

YEA!, I do like the looks of that.
SLI and crossfire certified and has the 4 SATA connectors + 1 more amp on the 12v and an added rail.
Thank You.
$20 bucks higher at newegg though , I guess they like theirs better.
I'll have to update my list now, that makes 2 changes, found a case I like much better too.

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my build updated,

CPU
AMD Athlon 64 X2 4600+ Windsor 2.4GHz 2 x 512KB L2 Cache Socket AM2 Processor - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819103751
$189.00

MOBO
http://www.gigabyte.com.tw/Products...board&ProductID=2302&ProductName=GA-M59SLI-S5
GIGABYTE GA-M59SLI-S5 Socket AM2 NVIDIA nForce 590 SLI MCP ATX AMD Motherboard - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813128011
$159.99

Video Card
GIGABYTE GV-NX76T256D-RH GeForce 7600GT 256MB 128-bit GDDR3 PCI Express x16 Silent Pipe II, Lead Free Video Card - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814125025
$145.99

Case
GIGABYTE GZ-FA1CA-ASS Silver 1.0 mm Aluminum body ATX Full Tower Computer Case - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16811233012
$139.00

PSU
CORSAIR CMPSU-520HX ATX12V v2.2 and EPS12V 2.91 520W Power Supply 100 - 240 V UL, CUL, CE, CB, FCC Class B, TUV, CCC, C-tick - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16817139001
$119.99
buy.com
http://www.buy.com/retail/product.asp?sku=203270716&loc=101
$99.99

HDD
Seagate SV35 Series ST3160812SV 160GB 7200 RPM 8MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16822148163
$62.99 x 2 each.

Sound Card
Creative Sound Blaster X-Fi XtremeGamer 7.1 Channels 24-bit 96KHz PCI Interface Sound Card - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16829102006
$69.99

CD/DVD
SAMSUNG Black 18X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 8X DVD+R DL 18X DVD-R 6X DVD-RW 12X DVD-RAM 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-R 32X CD-RW 48X CD-ROM 2M Cache IDE DVD Burner With LightScribe Technology - OEM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16827151136
$31.99

software
roxio Easy Media Creator 9 Suite - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16832252006
$79.99 (ouch!)

Floppy
SAMSUNG Black 1.44MB 3.5" Internal Floppy Drive Model SFD321B/LBL1 - OEM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16821103203
$6.99

speakers
Creative Inspire P7800 90 Watts 7.1 Speaker - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16836116153
$ 86.99

 

[ezefosure]

I'm a noob so I wouldnt know, but I'm pretty sure the c2d's run cooler than the AMD X2s. They are also better performance-wise. I also have no idea about the upgradability using AMD but I know that the quad core intels are using the same cpu slots.... lol. (AMD seems to be more "upgradable" to me, but then again I know nothing.)

If you cant get the specs your looking for with the ram and the mobo, google the two models. Or go with another brand?

 

[Shadowhunter]

Changes:

1. Get a Intel Core 2 Duo E6300 instead of the AMD you chose (its faster and cooler)

2. Get a Gigabyte 965 DS3 for the motherboard

3. Go for the EVGA 7600GT (i pretty sure its cheaper)

Everything else looks pretty good though.

 

[Freedom]

Changes:

1. Get a Intel Core 2 Duo E6300 instead of the AMD you chose (its faster and cooler)

2. Get a Gigabyte 965 DS3 for the motherboard

3. Go for the EVGA 7600GT (i pretty sure its cheaper)

Everything else looks pretty good though.

Pretty bad reviews on those suggested parts, think I stick with my AMD set up.
The board I've chosen has a lot more versatility

 

[INTELCRAZY]

BS!!!!!! Bad Reviews????? Not on the Core 2 Duo or the DS3, not happening. The EVGA 7600GT, may have some bad ones, but I would budget for the new 8600 that Nvidia is cooking up. The E6300 is almost the same price as that AMD junk. And the DS3 Mobo is cheaper than the other AMD one, that is a start on saving for a better video card. Don't be so stubborn, if you didn't want suggestions, why did you post?

 

[Freedom]

BS!!!!!! Bad Reviews????? Not on the Core 2 Duo or the DS3, not happening. The EVGA 7600GT, may have some bad ones, but I would budget for the new 8600 that Nvidia is cooking up. The E6300 is almost the same price as that AMD junk. And the DS3 Mobo is cheaper than the other AMD one, that is a start on saving for a better video card. Don't be so stubborn, if you didn't want suggestions, why did you post?

If you read my posts you wouldn't have to ask, I made it clear why I was going with AMD and that I was looking for suggestions on MY build, not recomendations on other people builds.
People trying to get me to change to intel because that's what they personally prefer are just wasting my and their time.
I want something stable, long lasting, veratile, and upgradeable, I don't care anything about overclocking, the cpu and ram I've chosen will be plenty fast for what I intend to use it for.

So, I'll say it again for the people in the cheaper seats.
I'm looking for opinions on the COMPATABILITY of the components of the system I've designed.

 

[INTELCRAZY]

Alright.......build that AMD rig, we shall see whose benchmark is left in ancient history, excuse me for preparing for the future.

 

[Freedom]

Alright.......build that AMD rig, we shall see whose benchmark is left in ancient history, excuse me for preparing for the future.

My system is looking towards the future, go read all the specs on what I've put together and I think you'll find it to be highly upgradeable.
Just compare the board shadowhunter suggested to the one I chose.

I'm not knocking intel, and by all rights you shouldn't be knocking AMD, they are both good products, you're just a Ford vs Chevy kind of guy, where I like them both just fine IF they do what I want them to do.

I've been building Industrial control systems for the last 30 years, and I've found some components just naturally work better with others in certain situations.
I'm sure someone out there has built a system like the one I'm looking at, and if cetain Ram worked better for them then others, then that's the type of info I'm looking for.
You want to be an intel kind of guy, that's fine with me, but remember, it's those of us buying AMD that's keeping intels prices down for you becuase without competition, they would charge whatever they wanted.

 

[daisymtc]

If you read my posts you wouldn't have to ask, I made it clear why I was going with AMD and that I was looking for suggestions on MY build, not recomendations on other people builds.
People trying to get me to change to intel because that's what they personally prefer are just wasting my and their time.
I want something stable, long lasting, veratile, and upgradeable, I don't care anything about overclocking, the cpu and ram I've chosen will be plenty fast for what I intend to use it for.

So, I'll say it again for the people in the cheaper seats.
I'm looking for opinions on the COMPATABILITY of the components of the system I've designed.

I understand you want something stable.
But you could have a look at this site. They compare the performance of hardwares. My personally will buy things which is value for money i.e. cost vs performance

 

[Freedom]

I understand you want something stable.
But you could have a look at this site. They compare the performance of hardwares. My personally will buy things which is value for money i.e. cost vs performance

I didn't see the Intel E6300 everyone is raving over listed there, did I just miss it?

You also talk about performance vs $, is that to buy the system or to pay the electricity to run it over the next few years, or replacing parts fried from overclocking etc.
There's a lot more to consider then just what it costs and what power it has setting in the box.
The AMD is 2.4 Ghz compared to the intel being 1.86Ghz for close to the same $ out the door, why should I spend $10 less to get the intel which I then have to overclock to bring up to the power and speed of the AMD, only to have components start frying 6 months down the road, or next week?

I don't claim to know a lot about overclocking, but after reading a good bit about it, in theory it's raising the feed power to a higher level to gain higher performance.
SO.... you are in effect running electronics at higher voltages/amps then they were really designed to be used at.
Correct?
If that's it, then without doubt, it will shorten their lives.

I'd rather drive my Ford at 50 mph for 100,000 miles then have my Chevy blow up at 50,000 miles running at 100 mph, if you catch my drift.

 

[ceewi1]

Pretty bad reviews on those suggested parts, think I stick with my AMD set up.

User reviews or legitimate reviews?

The board I've chosen has a lot more versatility

From the point of view of SLI support, Dual Ethernet and Firewire, yes. The real question is whether you would use these features? Obviously, you could also find boards for Intel processors with these features, which is why it's best to decide on your platform (AMD or Intel) before choosing a board.

I didn't see the Intel E6300 everyone is raving over listed there, did I just miss it?

It's not there. You can get a feel for what the results would look like by looking at the E6400, or you can use other sites (there are plenty of E6300 benchmarks out there).

You also talk about performance vs $, is that to buy the system or to pay the electricity to run it over the next few years,

If power consumption and thermal output are a significant concern, take a look at this X2 4600+. It's the 65W version of the one you had specified (the 89W version). The only downside is you don't get the free game . As a basis for comparison, the Core 2 Duos are also rated for 65W (although Intel uses a somewhat different rating system).

or replacing parts fried from overclocking etc.

To be fair, a properly carried out overclock should not cause component failure. Even a heavily overclocked processor should reach obsolescence well before it fails.

The AMD is 2.4 Ghz compared to the intel being 1.86Ghz for close to the same $ out the door, why should I spend $10 less to get the intel which I then have to overclock to bring up to the power and speed of the AMD

Clock speed is far from the only concern when comparing two processors. You can't compare two fundamentally difference architectures so easily. I'd suggest you instead look at comparative benchmarks before making a decision.

I don't claim to know a lot about overclocking, but after reading a good bit about it, in theory it's raising the feed power to a higher level to gain higher performance.
SO.... you are in effect running electronics at higher voltages/amps then they were really designed to be used at.
Correct?

You can mildly overclock a processor without increasing the core voltage (on a Core 2 Duo, this is usually in the order of ~25%). To achieve further increases, you'd need to increase the voltage.

If that's it, then without doubt, it will shorten their lives.

Overall lifespan yes, useful lifespan probably not. I still have CPUs here that are over 15 years old. If an overclocked CPU only lasts 15 years as opposed to the 20 years it may have lasted at stock, is it really a concern? The CPU will be hopelessly outdated by that time anyway.

 

[Freedom]

I guess a mod can go ahead and close this thread, it's probably served whatever purpose it's going to serve, and from here on out looks like it's just going to turn into a pissing match between AMD and Intel, and that's not why I came here.
Thanks anyway.

 

[Victor]

Freedom, I believe you are waiting for people to say how great your computer, and you are bumping into people saying you building a shit and tell you to make an intel change instead.

I have never been an AMD fan, but now they are in complete ****. Intel is way better now in everything. And with their $266 price for Q6600 announced close to the end of this year they beat all.

Most reviews ratings are biased towards down. Think for yourself, when you would rather write a review, if everything is OK (not great just working OK) or if you do not like some specific detail? I think the second. Not all but most people are like that. Except for processors E6X00 series you would not see a lot of 5 eggs. Happens memory comes DOA, sometimes motherboards.

But you have a solid 95% chance that everything you get would work. (Otherwise people would not produce it)

If you are really looking onto future, I suggest you take Asus p5B-deluxe MoBo. Its just $70 more expensive than a MoBo you want to get now. Put E6300 for now, it will work great for you. If you get $200 more at the of 2007, you would be able easily change this CPU to something that really rocks (among top models)

I will summarize my recomendation in the following:

- forget about AMD
- buy ASUS P5B-deluxe
- buy intel E6300 C2D
- buy that corsair memopry, only $160 per 2 GB now

mine arrived perfectly working

anything else at your choice. If you are ready to spend $300 oh harddrive, buy 2 36 GB Raptor, PRM 10,000 ($100 each), make them Raid0 for super fast system drive and buy another $80-100 dollars SATA RPM 7200 250-320GB hard drive for storage

 

[ezefosure]

He wants to go AMD. Tell him the best AMD config he can get.
Of course intel is faster/cooler etc right now, but he apparently hates intel, or simply doesnt understand the differences between them right now. (Comparing ghz when they really NVR meant anything when comparing between the two companies) Someone help the guy out. I'm actually curious right now as well. I want to buy an AMD X2 65nm laptop this summer. Hopefully by then they will be cheap as hell.

The CPU you were thinking of buying is in fact NOT cooler or less of an energy hog than ANY of the C2D. I'm pretty sure the 65nms run cooler and with less energy than the 90nm cpus. (Although i know next to nothing about this stuff.)

For a cpu i would suggest the 4000+
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819103774

the 4200+
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819103741

or the 4400+
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819103776

Please use the links above.

I'm pretty sure each of those cpus running on STOCK perform slightly better for CAD and compiling (but you dont program do you?) than the e6300 based on benchmarks and are all cheaper. However, note that even the 4400+, which is almost .5 ghz "faster" than the e6300 will underperform its C2D competition with many every-day tasks and gaming. Not only that but they will underperform the C2D when it is time to render your CAD designs in 3D. Nevertheless, those processors should be great for what you need them to do, arent THAT much slower than low end C2Ds and are simply great processors in general. And if AMD's quad core chips fit the AM2 socket or whatever it is, you WILL see upgradability in the future.

 

[Freedom]

He wants to go AMD. Tell him the best AMD config he can get.
Of course intel is faster/cooler etc right now, but he apparently hates intel, or simply doesnt understand the differences between them right now. (Comparing ghz when they really NVR meant anything when comparing between the two companies) Someone help the guy out. I'm actually curious right now as well. I want to buy an AMD X2 65nm laptop this summer. Hopefully by then they will be cheap as hell.

The CPU you were thinking of buying is in fact NOT cooler or less of an energy hog than ANY of the C2D. I'm pretty sure the 65nms run cooler and with less energy than the 90nm cpus. (Although i know next to nothing about this stuff.)

For a cpu i would suggest the 4000+
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819103774

the 4200+
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819103741

or the 4400+
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819103776

Please use the links above.

I'm pretty sure each of those cpus running on STOCK perform slightly better for CAD and compiling (but you dont program do you?) than the e6300 based on benchmarks and are all cheaper. However, note that even the 4400+, which is almost .5 ghz "faster" than the e6300 will underperform its C2D competition with many every-day tasks and gaming. Not only that but they will underperform the C2D when it is time to render your CAD designs in 3D. Nevertheless, those processors should be great for what you need them to do, arent THAT much slower than low end C2Ds and are simply great processors in general. And if AMD's quad core chips fit the AM2 socket or whatever it is, you WILL see upgradability in the future.

Thanks for the polite and informative reply.
For the last couple of years I've wanted an AMD, so that's what I decided to build.
I can understand people that do intensive gaming trying to prompt me to go with Intel, and no I don't at all hate Intel, I just WANT an AMD.
I don't do any intensive gaming, the games I do play will run on a 400 MHz celeron, and the games I WANT to play would run on an 800 MHz pentium, so gaming isn't a concern to me.
I will be getting a CAD program to do drawings for metal fabrication, but even that will be pretty low level, and I do plan on learning C++ should I ever have the time, and I think this would be more then enough to do that as well.

I will be doing a lot of cd and dvd burning and listening to and watching, it was because of that I went with the 4600, I figured that would be more than enough.

What I was looking for with this thread was more along the lines of compatibility of the components I've decided on.
Like for instance the size of the power supply.
ceewi1 was helpful earlier with the Conair suggestion, so I assumed then also that he felt a 520 watt with 18 amps on the 12V was enough.
Things like the video card gave me no clue what power they required, even after downloading and reading it's manual.
Since posting this thread I've continued to research my choices and am more comfortable that they will all work well together, but it would still be nice to hear from others who have built similar systems, what components they used and how well they worked, and how trouble free they were.