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Discussion in 'Desktop Computers' started by Netskimmer, Oct 20, 2007.

  1. Netskimmer

    Netskimmer New Member

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    I know that I said I would wait until November to build my new rig but the wait is killing me! There are so many new games out there that my comp just can't keep up with. It seems to me that most of the fast changing tech revolves around CPUs and GPUs. All the Intel 2 and 4 core processors I saw on NewEgg have a LGA 775 socket type and all the good vid cards are using PCIe so unless PCIe and socket LGA 775 are soon to be replaced I could easily build a great system and upgrade the CPU and GPU many months from now should should either become a bottleneck and from what I've heard DDR3 won't be nessicary for gaming for at least a year. What do you guys think?
     
  2. colt1911

    colt1911 New Member

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    For now I would get a good socket 775 board and an Intel dual core cpu .Be sure to consider this when getting your board , you'll want to make sure that it will run the new Quad cores coming out later. Also from what I've read about DDR3 is that right now it's not worth it . The price to performance ratio over DDR2 is not worth the upgrade.
     
  3. oscaryu1

    oscaryu1 VIP Member

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    Just get an LGA775 motherboard with an Nvidia chipset, and can support 45nm tech for future processors, and an 8800. Should be good. 2GB RAM is also good.
     
  4. diduknowthat

    diduknowthat formerly liuliuboy

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    Is there a specific reason to get a nvidia chipset? Why not just pick up the new P35/38 motherboards? (unless he wants to go SLI later on, which really isn't worth it).
     
  5. oscaryu1

    oscaryu1 VIP Member

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    Just if he wants to overclock.
     
  6. Netskimmer

    Netskimmer New Member

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    So I should avoid SLI and Crossfire? I've heard that a really good single card will usually out perform two lesser cards but I wasn't sure if the performance of two good cards would be worth the cost.

    Now that I have decided to build one I'd like some suggestions on hardware.

    Not too sure about the GPU or monitor. Do you think I should get aftermarket cooling for the GPU, mem, or mobo?

    CPU: Intel Core 2 Duo E4500 Allendale 2.2GHz
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115031
    $129.99
    GPU: EVGA GeForce 8800Ultra 768MB 384-bit GDDR3
    http://www.clubit.com/product_detail.cfm?itemno=A9602841
    $624.75


    Mobo: EVGA 122-CK-NF68-A1 LGA 775 NVIDIA nForce 680i SLI ATX Intel
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813188013
    $229.99

    Mem: OCZ Platinum 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 1066
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820227178
    145.99

    Sound: 7.1 Channels 24-bit 192KHz PCI Interface Sound Blaster
    X-Fi XtremeGamer Fatal1ty Professional Series
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16829102005
    $135.99

    Cooling: Danger Den water cooling Power Kit
    http://www.dangerden.com/store/product.php?productid=183&cat=2&page=1
    $163.28

    Arctic Silver CMQ-22G The high-density, ceramic-based thermal compound
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835100012
    $9.99

    Power: PC Power & Cooling Silencer 750 Quad (Black) EPS12V 750W
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817703009
    $179.99

    Case: COOLER MASTER COSMOS 1000 RC-1000-KSN1-GP Black/ Silver Steel ATX Full Tower
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119138
    $199.99

    HHD: Western Digital Raptor X WD1500AHFD 150GB 10,000 RPM 16MB Cache Serial ATA150
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136011
    $184.99

    Mon: SAMSUNG 245BW Black High Glossy 24" 5ms DVI Widescreen
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824001234
    $489.99

    OS: Microsoft Windows Vista Ultimate DVD - Retail
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832116140
    $319.99

    Misc: ASUS Black 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-ROM SATA DVD-ROM Drive
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827135143
    $20.99

    Generic Keyboard
    $20

    Logitech MX518
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16826104178
    $39.99

    Total:
    $2,895.91
     
    Last edited: Oct 23, 2007
  7. UriA702

    UriA702 New Member

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    looks pretty solid, but if you plan on upgrading the processor once the 45nm chips come out why not just overclock something cheap if it's only for a few months. an e2190 will overclock to near 3 ghz and costs under $100.
    I am waiting for the 45nm chips to build a system, not so much that i want a 45nm, ill have to see the improvements over the current 65nm. More that the prices of the better core 2 duos will drop so that would work out lovely.
     
  8. Netskimmer

    Netskimmer New Member

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    The cheapest one I could find on newegg is the E4400 for $135.

    Will the mobo I picked out be compatible with the 45mn chips? It doesn't really say in the description or specs.

    How difficult is it to overclock these?

    Why is the E6700 Conroe one newegg more expensive than the E6850 Conroe? As far as I can tell the specs on the E6850 are superior in every way?:confused:
     
  9. mep916

    mep916 Administrator Staff Member

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    Yes, the 680i will support 45nm chips. Update the BIOS after the build. The E6850 is great, but I would recommend the Q6600 G0 stepping. It's cheaper, and it's a quad core. With the 680i, it'll be a breeze to OC. Good luck!

    BTW, the Cosmos is an excellent choice. I'm gettin' it soon. :D
     
  10. Netskimmer

    Netskimmer New Member

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    Is going quad core worth the slower front side bus and clockspeed?
     
  11. mep916

    mep916 Administrator Staff Member

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    That's a very good question. I'm not sure. The Q6600 (G0 stepping) is known to clock as high as 3.7 GHz on air with an aggressive voltage. I think you would see better performance with a quad core at lower speeds. I could be wrong, however. :)
     
  12. Netskimmer

    Netskimmer New Member

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    Your probably right. How can I tell if the Q6600 on newegg is G0? I've never been to glubit.com before, do they have a good rep? Do you think the vid card is too much? 768MB seems like a lot to me but I haven't bought a vid card in so long I'm not sure. I'm also not sure about the monitor.
     
  13. mep916

    mep916 Administrator Staff Member

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    Click here for clubit.com at Reseller Ratings. They appear to have an excellent reputation. Newegg doesn't guarantee the Q6600 w/ the G0 stepping. I'd go with Clubit.com.

    The GTX is awesome. You won't be dissapointed. The monitor looks great - maybe a little expensive. The price is probably due to the HDMI functionality. If you don't plan on using the HDMI, consider the Samsung.

    I've heard from other members' of the forum that the Zalman 9500 is really loud. Consider purchasing the 9700.
     
    Last edited: Oct 21, 2007
  14. Netskimmer

    Netskimmer New Member

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  15. mep916

    mep916 Administrator Staff Member

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    Yeah. Some may disagree with me, but if you can afford it, why not? I've heard the Ultras overclock well. You can easily move the Ultra core clock above the GTX stock core clock

    Since you're saving money on the monitor, get a Raptor. Install your OS and games on the Raptor, and use the Samsung HD for storing media and other files. Every high performance rig should have a Raptor, IMO. :D
     
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  16. Netskimmer

    Netskimmer New Member

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    Do You think I'll need an after market cooler for the GPU? This will be a pure gaming rig so I shouldn't need more that one HHD provided that it is big enough. If I do decide to go SLI later will my PS be big enough?
     
    Last edited: Oct 22, 2007
  17. mep916

    mep916 Administrator Staff Member

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    That depends. If you want to overclock the card significantly, an aftermarket cooler will help. For now, I wouldn't worry about it. See how far you get on stock cooling.

    Do what you want. Do some research on the Raptor. It's the fastest HD on the market. You'll notice faster performance in gaming (level loading, for example), OS startup and overall performance. Plus, you'll have serious bragging rights. That counts for something, doesn't it? :D


    I'd go with the PSU I recommended in a previous post. Click here.
     
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  18. Netskimmer

    Netskimmer New Member

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    I was actually thinking that since the only things on this computer will be the OS, games and related software. I should dump the Samsung HD and just get the Raptor, I was just wondering if 150GB would be enough but I don't see why it wouldn't be, at least to start with. I could always get another HD later if I need it.
     
  19. mep916

    mep916 Administrator Staff Member

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    Yeah. That's what I would do. I have all the latest games and programs installed on Vista. I still have 79 GB of space available. ;)
     
  20. Netskimmer

    Netskimmer New Member

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    How about a physics card? Last I checked they were very expensive and there was not much call for them but that was quite a while ago and they seem to have gone down considerably in price. Do many current games benefit from them?

    I also thought I'd ask about water cooling. It's been awhile since I looked at that too. At the time most people said it was more trouble than its worth. Do you know if that has changed?
     

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