New Laptop Decision

Origin Saint

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Hi all!

Sorry for the hiatus, but this college semester is really hitting me hard. To top it off, my three and half year old HP ENVY DV6 is starting to become unreliable, a bit groggy and the battery life is really annoying me these days (like 1.5 hours on battery saver, tops). Not to mention, I now have a desktop for my gaming, so I basically only need a laptop for college work: programming, report writing, Skype calls, circuit simulation, spreadsheet management, iTunes, etc...

I'm looking for something lightweight, thin, with great battery life, reputable specifications, but at $1,200 tops.
I'm not really interested in touch screens all that much, given I don't feel it necessary enough to sacrifice a matte screen, and I need 15.6" at 1080p +.

What I'm really looking intently into purchasing this summer on my co-op term, is the Dell XPS 15 base model. The thing is paper thin, has a 4K, 15.6", Gorilla Glass display, weighs next to nothing, and has an amazing battery life apparently, along with exceptional build quality (machined aluminum and carbon fibre are hard to beat imo).

What do you guys think of this choice? Do you agree? Have another suggestion? Please let me know, I'm looking for as much input as I can get.

Thanks guys!
 
This literally popped up on a site I was visiting like 5 minutes ago!!
I'm not sure you read the post. I'm looking for something portable and with good battery life, etc... Not another 'gaming' machine that will ultimately have horrendous battery life and be just as hefty as what I've got.

for what you need to do, i would consider 'business' laptop instead...
I'm not really sure how that would benefit me any more than what I'm looking into...
 
I'm not sure you read the post. I'm looking for something portable and with good battery life, etc... Not another 'gaming' machine that will ultimately have horrendous battery life and be just as hefty as what I've got..

Okay, first off I can read, and whatever, if you consider 6 pounds heavy then that's your issue. Also, in case your eyes dont work, that deal includes a bag for the "heavy" laptop and probably fits in a bandage or two to wrap your shoulders from all the weight of that 6 pound monstrosity.
 
I'm not really sure how that would benefit me any more than what I'm looking into...
You want a thin ultrabook, which most expensive 'business' laptops tend to be, so this was a perfectly valid point.

The XPS 13 and 15 are good options. I'd look at ThinkPads too. I'm a bit of a fanboy admittedly but see what you think of the ThinkPad X1 Carbon or the X-series or maybe the new T460s. You might be able to get the T450s for a bit less now the T460s is here.

Friend of mine has an XPS 15. Very attractive laptop and well-built but man the trackpad/touchpad is weird.
 
but man the trackpad/touchpad is weird.
My friend has a XPS 13, and I actually love it. It's so smooth. It's really weird at first, but I think I'd like it. I'll take a look at some of Lenovos options as well. Thanks for the input! :D
 
I've never tired the XPS 13 but I found the touchpad on the 15 to be really weird coming from my ThinkPad L540 and other laptops at least (I never use the touchpad on my ThinkPad anyway, I'm a TrackPoint user).
 
After about 5 hours of work last night on a spreadsheet, I now have it down to three options for the most part, and I'd like to share those and see some opinions:

Lenovo T460
  • i5-6300U (i7-6600U +$145)
  • 14" 1080p (touch +$50)
  • Intel HD 520
  • 192 GB SSD (256 GB +$50, 512 GB +$190)
  • 8 GB DDR3 RAM
  • 6-9 cell battery
  • +$20 fingerprint reader
  • +$10 smart card reader
  • Minimum Price: $1,119.60
  • Maximum Price: $1,758.60
Sager NP3652
  • i7-6700HQ
  • 15.6" 1080p
  • Intel HD 530
  • Every storage option under the sun
  • 8-16 GB DDR3 RAM
  • 6 cell battery
  • Minimum Price: $899
  • Maximum Price: 1,689
Dell XPS 15
  • i5-6300HQ
  • 15.6" 1080p (4K & touch +$350)
  • NVIDIA GeForce GTX 960M w/ 2GB
  • 1TB 5,400 rpm HDD + 32 GB SSD
  • 8GB DDR4 2133 MHz RAM
  • 3 cell battery
  • smart card reader
  • Minimum Price: $1,199.99
  • Maximum Price: $1,549.99

I really like the looks of all three of these options, which means I'll have to make a decision before June on what I want.

The Lenovo is a bit bigger, and I don't like the trackpoint, but that's not much of an issue. It also has the option for an extra $15 to essentially have a 9-cell battery. The screen is also an inch smaller than ideal, but I could probably live with it. The CPU isn't the greatest, but it isn't bad either.

The Sager is a brand I've never seen in person, or really heard anything about, but it's customizable through the roof, and comes at a very appealing price for the options.

The Dell is a gorgeous laptop in general, built nicely, very small and light, has a nice CPU, has the option for 4K touch screen, and has really new RAM, but it also has dedicated graphics, so I imagine the battery life wouldn't be as impressive as if it were simply integrated graphics.

Anyone have some opinions on these machines/brands/configurations? Considerations I might not have thought of? I'm sure I could make a decision on my own, but I'd like to hear from people, as I've only ever owned HP laptops, and not had the best of experiences, so I'm not too familiar with much else. Not to mention I don't really know what I'm looking at in terms of battery life based on specs (I'm used to like 2 hours tops), but I'd like the best I can get, but I also don't want a CPU that slows down when programming or something.

Thanks for all the help!

 
The ThinkPad fanboy in me would choose the T460 if it was for myself but you've said you don't like the TrackPoint and the screen size is smaller than ideal so let's rule that one out (you can use the touchpad/trackpad just fine though, but it is fairly pricey anyway, ThinkPads are!)

I guess the specs for the other two are how you'd configure them? You mention the 4K touch display on the Dell, how much extra is that? My friend's XPS 15 has that 4K touch display and it is gorgeous. Going by the specs you posted above I'd choose the Sager and get it with a proper SSD, not an SSHD like you get in the Dell. SSHDs are a waste of time in my opinion - the SSHD in the Dell is only 5400 RPM so your system will run really slow. Sager are a custom-builder. I've not looked at them myself but I remember other people saying good things about them and the specs are better than that of the Dell.
 
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Alright, despite your recommendation to rule out the ThinkPad, I keep feeling like it is a very good deal and will net the absolute best battery life. I'm currently looking at this configuration:

  • Intel i5-6300U
  • 14" 1080p
  • 12 GB DDR3 RAM
  • Intel HD 520
  • Fingerprint Reader
  • Smart Card Reader
  • 512 GB SSD
  • Standard 3-cell front, unremovable battery
  • 6-cell (72 Wh) rear battery
  • TOTAL PRICE: $1,349.10
This feels like a really solid purchase for the money, with the crazy battery life, decent RAM and 512 GB SSD.

My only question really would be: Would I see much of an improvement choosing a Intel i7-6600U over this i5 (a price difference of $145)? The only difference I've seen is 1 MB larger smart cache, and 0.3 GHz faster. Both are dual cores with hyperthreading. I just don't want to end up in a situation with a laptop that has a poor CPU while I'm trying to program or something.

EDIT:

So after speaking to a few people in Lenovo customer support chat, they claim that the touch screen option is anti-glare just as the non-touch option is, which means that for $50, I don't see why not to go for it. I'm still not sure on which CPU, but I'm leaning towards the i5, because I don't see the small clock difference making any substantial differences overall. Is there anything you (Spirit) would like to add or mention about the T460, or ThinkPads or Lenovo in general? I'm still hoping for some more input from someone a bit more versed. I also am a little on the fence about warranty options on the T460. I feel like a 3 year + accidental damage + screen issues + battery problems for $350 would be well worth it, but I'm not sure how well-built Lenovo's are.

Thanks for the help so far!
 
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Hi there @Origin Saint sorry I haven't replied earlier, I've only just seen this.

Firstly, sorry for the detailed reply! :D

No, it's not worth getting the i7 over the i5 if all it offers is the slightly higher clockspeed and 1MB extra cache, save your money and stick to the i5. I haven't seen the T460 in person but if it's like just about any other ThinkPad you can be assured that it will be very well-built and reliable too. I've always gone with ThinkPads because I grew up using them and so the TrackPoint is quite natural for me to use (my first laptop was a ThinkPad A31 which only had the TrackPoint, no TrackPad/touchpad at all) and I really like the style and the design. The pictures I've seen of the new T460 look really nice.

There are two other models of the T460 which may be worth looking at too: there's the T460s which will be thinner than the normal T460 and is really more of an ultrabook (it's like an X-series but 14"), so if you want something slimmer and lighter then the T460s could be worth looking at. Or, if you want more power then you can get the T460p with either a quad-core i5 6300HQ (4 cores, 4 threads) or a quad-core i7 6600HQ (4 cores, 8 threads just like the desktop versions). These new 'HQ' CPUs from Intel are quite nice because both the i5 and the i7 models are actually proper quad-cores (in the past you couldn't get a quad-core mobile i5, they were all dual-cores with HT, only the mobile i7s were available as proper quad-cores and even then some of them didn't have HT) and as ever the U CPUs are dual-cores with HT and are designed for thin laptops and ultrabooks therefore running slightly cooler, consuming less power and thus providing a little less performance but improved battery life. The T460p will be more powerful but it will also be more expensive and probably slightly thicker and heavier too and the quad-core CPUs will consume more power meaning that the battery life isn't as good as that of the T460 or T460s models.

Since the T440 which was released a few years ago I think the T4xx series have actually had two batteries: one removable one and one non-removable internal one to allow hot-swapping of removable batteries and also to increase battery life. I remember when the T440 came out Lenovo was claiming its battery life was something like 17 hours which sounds incredible, but just be aware that I bought my ThinkPad L540 with the uprated 57Wh battery (up from 48Wh on the standard configuration) which Lenovo claimed would last around 11 hours but in reality, even when it was brand new, I was struggling to get 6 or 7 hours out of it. Most of the time these days it's dead in 3 or 4. So unless you have the screen really dim and everything turned off then I wouldn't pay too much attention to the battery claims as they will have been measured in 'perfect conditions'. You should have a good battery life with the 72Wh battery and the internal battery inside the T460 (if they still do that with the newer T4xx models) and if it's not good enough then you can always upgrade to the 99Wh battery in the future, but just be aware that the 99Wh battery does stick out of the back a little.

Your specification looks pretty good, just have a look at the T460s and the T460p as well and see if either of those fit your bill better. The T460 comes between the two models as being a 14" machine which is fairly thin and light but not as thin and as light as an ultrabook and also doesn't offer the same quad-core CPUs that the T460p does. A T460p configured with an i5 HQ will be faster than a T460 or a T460s configured with an i5 U or an i7 U I reckon.

I know my ThinkPad is completely different to what you were looking at, but you can take a read of my L540 review if you want (L-series being the series below T): http://www.computerforum.com/threads/lenovo-thinkpad-l540-notebook-review-part-no-20avcto1ww.229171/ I believe there are some general thoughts on ThinkPads in there too.

You can get the 3 year warranty if you want. It's a shame that doesn't come standard on all models. I remember when I was looking to buy my last ThinkPad I had the T540p in mind and I remember that coming with a 3 year warranty as standard. In the UK at least, all three of the T460 models seem to come with the 3 year on-site warranty as standard at no extra cost. I thought all of the T-series models came with a 3 year warranty? Anyway, if you can afford it then get it I guess but you could put money towards a higher spec. In the end I bought an L540 because one day Lenovo had a cracking deal on it so I went for it and I just got the standard 1 year warranty with that which ended a year ago. I've not had any problems whatsoever with my L540 and it's nearly 2 years old now. It goes to and from school a lot and whilst it has a few very slight marks on the lid, that's about the only cosmetic damage there is. That's an L-series model which is a more mid-range, cost-saving option and it's built like a tank and feels very solid despite being made from 'recycled materials', so I'm sure a T-series will be even better. I think there are other members here who have used and owned T-series models before and they've generally spoken highly of them (though the old T410 did get a bit hot). Everything on my L540 is working fine, no problems whatsoever. This could be a bit of a marketing ploy from Lenovo featuring some camera trickery and advertising magic, but check this video out:


Even if you plan to spill wine and ice-cold water with ice cubes in it over your keyboard whilst the laptop is on, it should be OK - apparently! (that's a T440 in the video btw) ;) My old ThinkPads were about 8 or 9 years old when they bit the bullet. I think even without the 3 year warranty (which should be standard on all T-series models anyway) you'll be fine. Like all things, look after it and it will last. Throw it around and try to break it and it will eventually give.

They're very nice laptops indeed. I can't really see myself owning any other brand of laptop (but that's just me, I like them a lot!) and I think once you've owned one you'll probably feel the same. A know a lot of people who own ThinkPads and they always love them and they also usually end up owning more than one. I've had 3. ;) The keyboard on all the ThinkPads I have used are better than those on pretty much any other laptop I've used, so if you do a lot of typing or care about the keyboard then a ThinkPad is an excellent choice.

Good luck, any questions just ask! I'm not a Lenovo sales rep or affiliated with them in any way (hahaha :D) so all opinions are of course my own and I don't know the answer to all questions regarding the newer models. ;)
 
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I'm not gonna say I don't trust them, but I would love to see if it still works after a few hours or the next day. That's very hard to believe!!!
Me too! I'm not too sure if it would work or not. Marketing video. ;)

Some ThinkPads feature a 'spill resistant' keyboard but only to a certain extent (but they did pour 4x the recommend volume of liquid on it). Obviously best not to test it. :D

On a ThinkPad forum I used to visit I remember somebody leaving their X220 outside in the rain for a few hours. I think it worked OK afterwards but probably only after it had been left to dry for a bit and I don't think it was left on when it was outside.

Liquids aside, they're pretty resistant to scrapes and knocks. As I said, my 2 year L540 which goes to and from school a lot (I usually just carry it around school, not even in a bag or anything) is still in excellent condition and I have knocked it quite a few times and I can't really notice any big chips or scratches on it. :)

Btw the fingerprint reader on my L540 at least is rubbish. It only works about 50% of the time. :D
 
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Thanks a ton for all the info!! :)

I think I've pretty much decided on the T460 I have above, with a 2-year warranty + accidental damage. I couldn't find the T460p anywhere, but I doubt I would be too interested, as I'm really looking for more battery life than processing power. I don't plan on playing much other than Game Dev Tycoon, Hearthstone, Civ V, Rocket League, etc... on low settings or whatever I can manage from time to time. With my desktop, I no longer need a very powerful laptop, so I really want something more portable that I don't need to rely on sitting near an outlet in class to be able to use. The T460 also seems very rugged, and whether or not it looks the prettiest, it will certainly get the job done. We use Thinkpad W models at my work, so I already had an idea of the durability (some of the engineers had dropped them off ladders onto concrete and it took chunks off the corners of plastic, and they worked fine still).

My only real debate left, is: is the touch screen option actually still anti-glare or is everyone I talk to on their customer support a bit inept? I have never heard of an anti-glare touchscreen before, and I don't find it worth it if I lose my anti-glare screen. I'm not really sure how to figure this one out haha.
 
I was going to chime in with the insprion 7559, but, cant really question that decision either - the inspiron can get 8-10 hours, if you have it configured right, just takes a little fiddling because of the discrete graphics card going "I CAN HELP" when it is not necessary c.c;
 
Thanks a ton for all the info!! :)

I think I've pretty much decided on the T460 I have above, with a 2-year warranty + accidental damage. I couldn't find the T460p anywhere, but I doubt I would be too interested, as I'm really looking for more battery life than processing power. I don't plan on playing much other than Game Dev Tycoon, Hearthstone, Civ V, Rocket League, etc... on low settings or whatever I can manage from time to time. With my desktop, I no longer need a very powerful laptop, so I really want something more portable that I don't need to rely on sitting near an outlet in class to be able to use. The T460 also seems very rugged, and whether or not it looks the prettiest, it will certainly get the job done. We use Thinkpad W models at my work, so I already had an idea of the durability (some of the engineers had dropped them off ladders onto concrete and it took chunks off the corners of plastic, and they worked fine still).

My only real debate left, is: is the touch screen option actually still anti-glare or is everyone I talk to on their customer support a bit inept? I have never heard of an anti-glare touchscreen before, and I don't find it worth it if I lose my anti-glare screen. I'm not really sure how to figure this one out haha.
If you ask me the ThinkPads are very nice looking machines but I just like the style of them. The T460 looks very nice if you ask me - more balanced than my L540. The T-series will be built quite similarly to the W-series so that should give you an idea of the build quality.

I ordered my ThinkPad directly from Lenovo.com because I could spec it out myself. You can buy a T460p on the UK Lenovo site, you should be able to find them on the US site too. Anyway, I'd recommend buying your ThinkPad directly from Lenovo.

I have a touchscreen monitor on my desktop and I never use it. My friend has the touchscreen on his XPS 15 and he never uses it. It's a little bit of a gimmick if you ask me. If you're unsure save the money and stick to the anti-glare screen instead.
 
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