Same old same old

Discussion in 'Desktop Computers' started by wolfeking, May 16, 2012.

  1. jonnyp11

    jonnyp11 New Member

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    processor alone sells for over 200

    http://www.ebay.com/itm/Intel-Core-...sor-/140869028258?pt=CPUs&hash=item20cc72c9a2

    pre-installed can get a bit more and if they want you could pre-overclock for a few bucks and tell them the exact settings just in case
     
  2. wolfeking

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    You are still forgetting ebay fees, paypal fees, and shipping. At $200, you are lucky to come out with $180. And still assuming it would sell, and that it would still not cover a platform sidegrade. just put it like this, 4GHz on 12 threads is not going to be massively better than 8 threads @ 5GHz. Even if they match each other, would you pay $300 to add a dual core into the mix? Could essentially double (more or less) performance with a new 2600k and a board to match it for less than the 2011 sockets.

    I am not playing the ebay game again at this point. Selling there, at least in my past 2 experiences (of 3 total) end up sucking your funds dry. I essentially gave away a 480 by selling it on ebay (because the shipping quote was for the wrong box, so out $3.50, and they took $25 in fees right off the top. selling at 130 I got just at 105 back. ) It is not happening again. When parts are no longer being used, they a=will be tossed in the garbage.
     
  3. jonnyp11

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    ...or listed on here/craigslist, or just give to my, i'd pay the shipping of course ;)

    (although craigs gets you spammed by tons of dating sites where people say you sound hot and should sign up for free to talk to them safely)

    and yeah, does sort'a suck how much they want
     
  4. wolfeking

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    Craigslist means spam.

    I am staying on LGA1155 either way. The cost to performance is not there for X79.
     
  5. spirit

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    Yeah the UP7 is an awesome board and OCs like a freaking tank, I think you should go for it. What sort of cooling will you be using with your 2600K?

    IMO, Socket 2011 isn't worth it. A 3770K is pretty much all that anybody needs, especially once overclocked.
     
  6. Jamebonds1

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    I have like to share my opinion. Going from LGA 1155 to LGA 2011 isn't really worth it. LGA 1155 is pretty good enough for gaming and designer. Going to LGA 2011 would be waste of money since non-K for LGA 2011 is 300 dollar and K cost 600 dollar. Someone might say 3820 i7 is part unlock, but i wouldn't agree with those people and is not good overclock as 3770K.

    Would Sniper 3 motherboard work for you? If you're not like green. UP7 would be good for you. I wouldn't recommend EVGA Z77 FTW since it is 3 out of 5 star.

    ASUS and ASRock have a lot of motherboard that support 4 SLI/CF but I'm not sure if you're still trust those both brand. Just saying.

    EDIT: I too agree with Spirit about LGA 2011 opinion.
     
  7. wolfeking

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    I am starting with the 212 evo again (since I don't have anything else other than stock). Once I can get money from the extreme 4, then I will go to something like a Nictua NH-D14 or the phanteks equivalent, or maybe a water cooler. Not sure. Sould like to set up a DIY water loop for CPU only, but that is not likely (would still be $300 probably).

    LGA2011 is worth it for worstations, but that is about it. Unless you need 12 threads. Then it is okay. But I would keep 2 2600k's over a 3930k for about the same price.
     
  8. spirit

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    OK that all sounds fine to me. The NH-D14 is meant to be pretty good but in all honesty I don't know a lot about coolers, I just got mine because it was cheap and had good reviews.
     
  9. wolfeking

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    1. The sniper is not as good of a board. it is only 12 phase. And no offense, but it is all smoke and mirrors to me at least. It looks good, and has some killer features, but it is not the UD7. The power control is not there.

    2. Reviews are useless. The FTW is a great board. I would not use it, but it is a very good option.

    3. Asus and ASrock are not an option. I refuse to use them.

    4. SBe has better baseclock overclocking though. It is easy to hit 4.5 to 4.8ish on a 3820. But that is no better than a 2600k, and has very few advantages over it paired with a good board. I just don't see the point of it without the 6 cores, and the price is not worth it. If they were 8 cores with HT, I would jump on it in a second, but they are not. The price does not scale well.
     
  10. spirit

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    I agree with Wolfe, I really don't get the point in the 3820 - especially when a 3770K is faster at stock and is cheaper AND the boards are cheaper.

    I like the Z77 FTW. It's a good board and has some really nice features. I especially like the right-angled 24 pin power connector, so much better for cable management!
     
  11. Jamebonds1

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    Noctua is great CPU cooler as i have read about them and it is low temp of CPU. XIGMATEK and Thermaltake are great CPU cooler. I have Thermaltake Contac 30, it is good cooler. MasterCooler are okay but just as I don't like their fan since it is noise.
     
  12. wolfeking

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    yea, I am basically at this point going off a view of Bigger=Cooler. Simply because it means you have more surface area to dissipate heat from.

    I don't account reviews much on anything anymore. I learned that lesson with the 912 and the 212EVO. Both have thousands of great reviews, yet perform really poorly for me. The case is just not even worth the price, and is not designed well at all. But that is not the issue here at all. That will be fixed later, if ever.
     
  13. spirit

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    If I read reviews, usually I only read the professional reviews. I got lucky with my cooler. For the price it's good.
     
  14. Jamebonds1

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    I think your right. I just look back and read review care. There is some reviewer that are not VO (Verified Owner). Sorry, my bad.

    I'm curious. what is perform poorly? Fan that's too noise?
     
  15. wolfeking

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    If you look, even the pros say both the 212 and the 912 are great items. Maybe I just expected more from them at their price points.

    Anyway, so there is not any major issues with dropping my current parts into this board and going forward? I hope not. and side note, I'll get back to responding later. Im bout to fall asleep on my computer, which does not help any.
     
  16. spirit

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    Yeah it must be pretty late (or early) for you!

    I don't see any problems. I say go for it.
     
  17. wolfeking

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    The poor performance (assuming you are talking about the 212EVO) comes from the horrid temps. Idle, and I kid you not, the stock cooler has lower temps. Under load (not overclocked) the 212 is only 4-6* cooler. I expected a lot more from it, especially seeing as it is not even that cheap of a cooler. It is silent though, but with auto fan settings, so is the whole computer, and that is with 8 fans on it (6 case fans (120), CPU fan, and GPU fan). under load the little 4870 is a freaking jet engine basically.

    The case performs poorly because it is too expensive, is limited on expansion, has rather short front panel connectors (only really matters if your boards connectors are not right at the bottom, which HD audio on the H61DE/S3 is not). The cable management holes are just poorly placed, and frankly useless. Anything larger than an 8 pin cable and you have to bend the back panel to get it to go back on, and use a hammer to line it up well. It needs more room to be even acceptable in cable management. And price was its only selling point to me when I got it. Now that is not even a sell because there are much better cases for similar prices. If it would drop down to say round $30, then it could hide behind its price tag again.
    That it was. 0300 I think. heck, its 0100 right now.

    But anyway. I am cutting it close now. Very close. But I think I have pinned the beast now. And I liked the review/unboxing/101 that I watched on this unit. And it looked beast all put together.

    Upgrades list now:
    http://www.frozencpu.com/products/1...p_and_RX360_Radiator_and_Free_Dead-Water.html
    -I am taking a gamble on it. it is a 360 unit, which is going to be a pain to fit to the 912 in any usable manner. Hoping that I can just bolt it to the top and route the hoses in that through the holes in the back. If not, then heres to a 240 rad with a 120 rad.
    -Also hoping that it will be good enough to add a GPU to the loop, with another Rad added of coarse.
    -Also hoping it has enough hose to tidy it up a bit. Might get 20 foot of hose just encase anyway.

    and

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814131478&name=Desktop-Graphics-Cards
    -is this the reference design? I sure hope so.
     
  18. jonnyp11

    jonnyp11 New Member

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    Why not the sapphire one with the way better (looking) cooler.

    And you plannin to put the 212 up here?
     
  19. wolfeking

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    because it is 100% not a reference design. That means fitting a water block to it is a shot in the dark.
     
  20. spirit

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    I'm pretty sure the PowerColor is a reference design.
     

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