Which CPU is really better and why? (confused about clock speeds...)

No the core 2 chip is based on a completely new architecture, the core architecture. The core chips were the last ones based on the netburst architecture.
Timna, Banias, Dothan, Yonah, Conroe, Allendale, and Merom are all P6 derivatives and very similar... Not convinced?

X-bit labs said:
Basing on the requirements we have just listed above, Intel engineers decided to give up NetBurst (which is actually not surprising at all) in favor of mobile processors microarchitecture, because these processors, developed from Pentium Pro, Pentium II and Pentium III boast relatively high performance level and are very economical in terms of power. However, the new Core microarchitecture has been significantly improved and enhanced in order to deliver higher performance, wider range of features and lower power consumption. As a result, it would be absolutely incorrect to claim that the prospective processors will be none other but adapted (for the new applications field) Pentium M.
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/core2duo-preview_2.html

EDIT: Also read the section titled "The Intel P8": http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2748
 
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No the core 2 chip is based on a completely new architecture, the core architecture. The core chips were the last ones based on the netburst architecture.

The Core architecture is based off of the Pentium M architecture.

And if the PM was based form the P4, you would see clock speeds around 3Ghz.
 
K6-2+/K6-III+ vs. Pentium II/III

Duron/Sempron vs. Celeron

Athlon/Athlon XP vs. Pentium 4

Athlon X2 vs. Core duo

Show me any Intel that out performed a AMD mached Mhz to Mhz up to the Core 2 Duo

For my experience Pentium 3 can easily beat AMD k-2+ at same Mhz.

Also pentium M and core Duo can beat AMD athlon64/Athlon X2
 
For my experience Pentium 3 can easily beat AMD k-2+ at same Mhz.

Also pentium M and core Duo can beat AMD athlon64/Athlon X2

If you compare those you would have to compare the Pentium III against the K6-III+ not the K6-II+ at the same MHZ. Even K6-III thats not + 450Mhz would have the same peformace of the Pentium III 500 Mhz. I have had quite a few of both!
 
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If you compare those you would have to compare the Pentium III against the K6-III+ not the K6-II+ at the same MHZ. Even K6-III thats not + 450Mhz would have the same peformace of the Pentium III 500 Mhz. I have had quite a few of both!

In January 1999, the final iteration of the K6-x series, the 450 MHz K6-III, was extremely competitive with Intel's top of the line chips. This chip was essentially a K6-2 with 256 kilobytes of full-speed level 2 cache integrated into the core and a better branch prediction unit. While it matched (generally beating) the Pentium II/III in integer operations, the FPU was a non-pipelined serial design and could not compete with Intel's more advanced FPU architecture. Although 3DNow! could theoretically compensate for this weakness, few game developers made use of it, the most notable exception being id Software's Quake II. The AMD K6-III was unique in that it was one of the first CPUs with 3 levels of cache. The previous K6-2 utilized an off-die (motherboard) cache. With the introduction of the on-die L2 cache, AMD designed the K6-III to also incorporate the motherboard's pipeline cache to boast an L1, L2 and L3 cache."

"Throughout its lifetime, the K6 processor came close, but never equalled the performance of processor offerings from Intel. While there were brief periods when AMD announced a clock speed advantage, volume availability of products was limited as AMD suffered from manufacturing and yield problems. Furthermore, having deviated from the official Intel motherboard specifications with the Super Socket 7 format, the motherboards that worked with the K6 were of varying quality, especially in regards to their implementation of the graphical AGP specification.
Overall the K6 proved popular with consumers, especially in markets outside North America, offering decent performance and a comparatively low price. But the problems surrounding the platform, and lack of availability for the announced high end parts, failed to establish AMD as a player in the corporate market. Intel responded to AMD's lower prices with the lower budget "Celeron" version of their Pentiums. While the Celerons were not as popular as Intel had hoped, this effectively left AMD struggling with low margins, chasing the low end of the market." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMD#K5
 
For the last time people, Hyper Transport is completely different from Hyperthreading. Hyper Transport is a computer bus that AMD uses, it is for the most part the same as the Front Side bus for Intel. Hyper threading on the other hand, is a Intel technology that allows a single (and certain cases with dual core) where it allows a second imaginary "core" to be used. In other words its like a virtual dual core cpu off of one core. It is not effective as Dual core, but gives intel the upper hand when it comes to multi tasking.
 
The last of that is misleading. The K6-II+ and K6-III+ was short lived and AMD came out with the Athlon vs. the 500mhz and above PIII and the Athlon XP at the start of the P4 era. and the Duron vs. the Celeron for the low in.
 
For the last time people, Hyper Transport is completely different from Hyperthreading. Hyper Transport is a computer bus that AMD uses, it is for the most part the same as the Front Side bus for Intel. Hyper threading on the other hand, is a Intel technology that allows a single (and certain cases with dual core) where it allows a second imaginary "core" to be used. In other words its like a virtual dual core cpu off of one core. It is not effective as Dual core, but gives intel the upper hand when it comes to multi tasking.


Whos talking about Hyperthreading and Hyper Transport??
 
The last of that is misleading. The K6-II+ and K6-III+ was short lived and AMD came out with the Athlon vs. the 500mhz and above PIII and the Athlon XP at the start of the P4 era. and the Duron vs. the Celeron for the low in.

The T-Birds didn't last long. Yet they rang circles around Durons that turned out to be AMD "boat anchors". The Atholons along Atholon XPs saved the day especially with the XP2500 Barton cored model. The Semproms enjoyed some OCing time in the light too.
 
Go with the conroe. But if your looking for clockspeed I'll sell you my Celeron for only 200 bucks it runs at !!!!2.8Ghz!!!!
 
Any Intel since 1999 is beat by AMD Mhz vs. Mhz. Show me ONE intel that beats AMD Mhz to Mhz other than the Core 2 Duo since 1999

during the northwoods core time BEFORE THE P4s GOT HOT, the Athlon XP was very close to the P4. it wasent until the prescott that Intel lost all.
 
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